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Author: Mike Ingoglia
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
That didn't take long. ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Poulter" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


> there is now a paypal icon on the bottom of the azgeocaching site that
> you can click to donate...
>
> jason
> azgeocaching.com
>
>
> Jason Poulter wrote:
> > ya we have a paypal account
> >
> > i should prob put a link on the web site front page... a couple people
> > have actually donated a while back too...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jason
> > snaptek
> > azgeocaching.com
> >
> >
> > Bill Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> >> I'm in. Do you guys have a paypal account?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:
> >> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
Regan
> >> Smith
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:24 AM
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >>
> >>
> >> I say we all donate a $ to Jason and Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Groover" <>
> >> To: <>
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:15 AM
> >> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Personally I am torn about registering. The impression I have gotten
> >>> over the last year and a half of the people who run the
> >>> geocaching.com web site is not very favourable (which I won't go into
> >>> here), however I get a great deal or fun out of the site. I don't
> >>> like giving money to people I don't think I like, but I see that
> >>> running a web site for free is
> >>
> >>
> >> hard/impossible.
> >>
> >>> So I've been stuck in this quandry ever since the "charter membership"
> >>
> >>
> >> thing
> >>
> >>> appeared.
> >>> I guess if they turned around and said "we are going to implement X,
> >>> Y and
> >>
> >>
> >> Z
> >>
> >>> to make it easier for handicap people to gague the real accessiblity
> >>> of a cache" (of which I have posted ideas on the site in the past)
> >>> then that would definately give me a big enough push to register. As
> >>> for anything else, I don't know...
> >>>
> >>> Sigh....
> >>>
> >>> Andy
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From:
> >>> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of
> >>> Bill Tomlinson
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:56 AM
> >>> To:
> >>> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Andy,
> >>>
> >>> It would take a bit of work, but I would think that you could re-log
all
> >>
> >>
> >> of
> >>
> >>> your old finds with your new name and then delete the old finds.
> >>
> >>
> >> Geocaching
> >>
> >>> lets you specify the find date, so you would still have an accurate
> >>
> >>
> >> history.
> >>
> >>> As for geocaching.com, I doubt that the issue is hoarding data or
> >>
> >>
> >> bandwidth.
> >>
> >>> Both of those are already irrelevant because data is being grabbed by
> >>> many crawlers already and that isn't a terribly efficient mechanism.
> >>> I'm
> >>
> >>
> >> willing
> >>
> >>> to bet that the issue is simply resources. Design and implementation
> >>> of a system that all would be happy with could be a very difficult
> >>> task. Look how long it's taken just to change the numbering scheme.
> >>> And that's a
> >>
> >>
> >> time
> >>
> >>> critical issue. I imagine of more people were willing to register we
> >>
> >>
> >> would
> >>
> >>> see much better services in exchange. Personally, I don't much care
> >>> if people choose register. We just need to be aware of the
> >>> implications of those decisions. I chose to register because I'm
> >>> interested in seeing new features like this.
> >>>
> >>> CacheLess
> >>> Bill Tomlinson
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From:
> >>> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
> >>> Andrew Ayre
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:06 AM
> >>> To:
> >>> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't think the problem is so much MO caches as the fact that
> >>> geocaching.com appears IMO to want to horde the data and not share it
> >>> with sites like azgeocaching.com by providing a backdoor entry into
> >>> specific sections of the database. I cannot see how providing access
> >>> to the AZ only caches would cause a problem for geocaching.com (in
> >>> terms of rivalry worries, etc - I'm sure it would increase the
> >>> bandwidth used).
> >>>
> >>> We recently changed our name from "Groover" to "Team Spike". This has
> >>> completely messed up our team stats on the azgeocaching.com site, as
> >>> it relies on reading cached pages. Well, archived caches never get
their
> >>
> >>
> >> pages
> >>
> >>> re-cached, therefore those caches will eternally be attributed to
> >>
> >>
> >> "groover"
> >>
> >>> on azgeocaching.com, wheras the actual data in the geocaching.com
> >>> database must be correct.
> >>>
> >>> As a result I've resorted to making a copy of all log entries on my
own
> >>
> >>
> >> web
> >>
> >>> site, so at least I have a copy of my own data that I can manipulate
> >>> in my own database and know it is always correct and accurate.
> >>> Unfortunately I don't have time to write code to generate graphs and
> >>> other wonderful stuff that can be found on azgeocaching.com.
> >>>
> >>> Andy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From:
> >>> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of
> >>> Scott Nicol
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:33 AM
> >>> To:
> >>> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates
> >>> me. I am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the
> >>> stats and the numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for
> >>> competitive purposes). I
> >>
> >>
> >> am
> >>
> >>> a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of
> >>
> >>
> >> state.
> >>
> >>> This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches.
These
> >>
> >>
> >> are
> >>
> >>> caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What
> >>> happens is that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore
> >>> it doesnt crawl the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard
> >>> anyways). At any rate, the
> >>
> >>
> >> AZ
> >>
> >>> stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out
> >>> of state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state
> >>> finds
> >>
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >>> probably always will!).
> >>>
> >>> I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free'
> >>> cache, it should remain that way for the life of the cache. If
> >>> someone chooses to
> >>
> >>
> >> make
> >>
> >>> their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches
> >>> that they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I
> >>> know Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few
> >>> days ago and that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I
> >>> understand his views
> >>
> >>
> >> on
> >>
> >>> the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old
> >>> caches open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn
> >>> your new ones into MO. The other problem I have with old caches
> >>> changing into MO... I no longer can look back on those caches and
> >>> read my logs (diary if you will)
> >>
> >>
> >> of
> >>
> >>> my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of
geocaching.com;
> >>
> >>
> >> that
> >>
> >>> is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will
> >>> reconsider changing his old caches back to non-MO.
> >>>
> >>> I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good
> >>> ones.
> >>
> >>
> >> I
> >>
> >>> also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain
> >>> and the comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many
> >>> of the same views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of
> >>> caches.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I
am
> >>
> >>
> >> not
> >>
> >>> a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his
> >>> making his new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an
> >>> option to members
> >>
> >>
> >> of
> >>
> >>> geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use
> >>> if he chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older
> >>> caches open to all.
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>> Team Ropingthewind
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Brian Cluff <>
> >>>> Reply-To:
> >>>> To:
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >>>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:12:21 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, if caches are being moved to members only that were previously
> >>>> available to anyone, they will show up as out of state.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian Cluff
> >>>> Team Snaptek
> >>>>
> >>>> Regan Smith wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Would the new out of state finds be a result of the Member Only
> >>>>> Caches?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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