Re: [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...

They did not remove that section because that section did not exist until
the changes this week.

That section "*Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements and
are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they require the seeker to
have previously met a reasonable geocaching-related qualification
(Waymarking and Wherigo qualify too, of course) such as first finding a
cache in every county in your state. If you are thinking of creating such a
cache, please include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you
have met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other
geocachers would be able to do so." *was just created, so removing it would
be a fairly odd choice.

On 4/5/09, AZTech <aztech.gc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree. Everyone plays the game according to their own preferences,
> whether it be going after only tough hikes, difficult puzzles or simply
> logging as many finds as possible, so this just limits our options. I'm
> especially surprised that they opted not to grandfather existing caches and
> instead made the change retroactive.
>
> While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to see that they
> didn't remove the following section from the guidelines for Mystery or
> Puzzle Caches:
>
> *Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements and are listed
> as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they require the seeker to have
> previously met a reasonable geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and
> Wherigo qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every
> county in your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please
> include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have met the
> challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other geocachers would
> be able to do so.*
>
> In light of the new guideline, that *"Cache finders can choose whether or
> not to attempt or accomplish optional tasks"*, what's the purpose of
> putting out a challenge cache if cachers aren't required to complete the
> challenge to log the find? Why have any ALRs at all?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL HOCKWITT <melhockwitt@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way. Too many rules
>> have killed many an organization and put bad tastes in the mouths of the
>> members.
>>
>> My thoughts.
>> Mel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* ShadowAce <shadowace.az@gmail.com>
>> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:03 AM
>> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...
>>
>> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388
>>
>> Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed.
>>
>> So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging Requirements needs be
>> altered or archived because "You must find and prove you have found 40
>> caches on a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign the log and
>> claim a find"
>>
>> Please make sure you note the changes to the guidelines dates April 2009:
>>
>>

>>    1. *A section called Logging of All Physical Caches<http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#loggingofallcaches>has been added to the guidelines.
>>    *

>>
>> QUOTE
>> Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the physical log has been
>> signed.
>>
>> If it is appropriate for your cache location or theme, you may ask the
>> cache seeker to accomplish an optional and simple task, either close to the
>> cache site (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or when writing their
>> online log. For example, wear the goofy hat inside the cache container and
>> upload a photograph. Cache finders can choose whether or not to attempt or
>> accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners may not delete the cache seeker's
>> log based solely on optional tasks.
>>
>> This guideline change applies immediately to all logs written from April
>> 4, 2009 and going forward. Older caches with "additional logging
>> requirements" (ALRs) are not grandfathered under the older guideline. If you
>> own an existing cache with mandatory additional logging requirements, we
>> request that you:
>>

>>    - Cease deleting logs based on additional logging requirements.
>>    - Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR can be made into an
>>    optional and simple task, or whether it must be removed altogether.
>>    - Adjust your geocache listing by editing the text then contact a
>>    reviewer to change the cache type, if appropriate.

>>
>>
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