They did not remove that section because that section did not exist until the changes this week. That section "*Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every county in your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other geocachers would be able to do so." *was just created, so removing it would be a fairly odd choice. On 4/5/09, AZTech wrote: > > I agree. Everyone plays the game according to their own preferences, > whether it be going after only tough hikes, difficult puzzles or simply > logging as many finds as possible, so this just limits our options. I'm > especially surprised that they opted not to grandfather existing caches and > instead made the change retroactive. > > While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to see that they > didn't remove the following section from the guidelines for Mystery or > Puzzle Caches: > > *Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements and are listed > as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they require the seeker to have > previously met a reasonable geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and > Wherigo qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every > county in your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please > include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have met the > challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other geocachers would > be able to do so.* > > In light of the new guideline, that *"Cache finders can choose whether or > not to attempt or accomplish optional tasks"*, what's the purpose of > putting out a challenge cache if cachers aren't required to complete the > challenge to log the find? Why have any ALRs at all? > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL HOCKWITT wrote: > >> Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way. Too many rules >> have killed many an organization and put bad tastes in the mouths of the >> members. >> >> My thoughts. >> Mel >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* ShadowAce >> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:03 AM >> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ... >> >> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388 >> >> Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed. >> >> So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging Requirements needs be >> altered or archived because "You must find and prove you have found 40 >> caches on a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign the log and >> claim a find" >> >> Please make sure you note the changes to the guidelines dates April 2009: >> >> >> 1. *A section called Logging of All Physical Cacheshas been added to the guidelines. >> * >> >> QUOTE >> Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the physical log has been >> signed. >> >> If it is appropriate for your cache location or theme, you may ask the >> cache seeker to accomplish an optional and simple task, either close to the >> cache site (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or when writing their >> online log. For example, wear the goofy hat inside the cache container and >> upload a photograph. Cache finders can choose whether or not to attempt or >> accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners may not delete the cache seeker's >> log based solely on optional tasks. >> >> This guideline change applies immediately to all logs written from April >> 4, 2009 and going forward. Older caches with "additional logging >> requirements" (ALRs) are not grandfathered under the older guideline. If you >> own an existing cache with mandatory additional logging requirements, we >> request that you: >> >> - Cease deleting logs based on additional logging requirements. >> - Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR can be made into an >> optional and simple task, or whether it must be removed altogether. >> - Adjust your geocache listing by editing the text then contact a >> reviewer to change the cache type, if appropriate. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > >