Very nicely said.
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Steven Stringham wrote:
> Hear, hear.
>
> While I have found my share of urban caches, I also have found a few
> (much fewer) rural/wilderness caches. I have found enjoyment in both.
> Some caches are urban, some wilderness. I have found both to be of
> interest.
>
> I have placed both types. I get thanks for both.
>
> Just because you have time/desire/funds/vehicles/resources/etc. to go
> out into the wilderness for your caches, does not mean the next cacher
> does. When the opportunities present themselves, or plans are able to
> make it a choice, I love to go get the more rural/remote cache. They
> are of great interest to me. But, due to other my
> time/resource/priority constraints, I am not able to go get them every
> weekend/day. Am I not to be able to go get the local cache challenge?
> Yes, some of them are less challenging than others. So what?
>
> Please remember, as enjoyable as this sport/hobby/game is, it is not
> the be all and end all of life. Family (wife, kids, parents etc.) do
> take a higher priority. Work/church needs to be attended to. Caching
> is a fun way to enhance life, not take it over.
>
> Steven Stringham
> StringCachers
>
>
> AZPAUL wrote:
>> Oh hell, here we go again. It seems that we just had this discussion
>> last week. I don't know why some cachers think that the way they play
>> the game is the only way to play it. If you don't like urban caches than
>> don't do them, its that simple.
>>
>> Besides, who are we to say which caches have value or not. If a cache
>> has given a cacher some fun and enjoyment finding it, then it has value.
>>
>> AZPAUL
>>
>> ----- Arizona Geocaching -----
>> ----- Where difficulty is measured in degrees -----
>>
>>
>>
>> PATRICK FINLEY wrote:
>>
>>> Very nicely put, Regan. There seems to be a whole generation of
>>> cachers who think lite pole caches and park bench/playground caches
>>> are the norm nowadays. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Jeff
>>> (Team 360) JR (team AJ.JR ) and Dave Ulmer a few years back, and was a
>>> little surprised with Daves take on the sport of geocaching that he
>>> gave birth to. Strangely enough, I remember him saying that he had no
>>> idea that geocaching would have become so big (with the help of
>>> Jeremy) and that he really didn't keep up with the game a whole lot.
>>> At that time he was travelling around the country in his motorhome and
>>> must have driven by a whole plethora of caches everyday. Maybe it was
>>> just my take on what he said, but I got the distinct feeling he wasn't
>>> too receptive of the idea of many of the urban/city caches being
>>> placed at that time. I wonder what his feelings are today? I hear
>>> about cachers with physical limitations, and I'm sure there are quite
>>> a few cachers out there with legitimate physical disabilities, but
>>> there's also a bunch of "lazy" cachers out there who spend way too
>>> much time sitting on their butt playing on the computer, by
>>> choice. Some of those cachers have limitations like being way too fat
>>> (bad knees, etc.) or just totally out of shape from sitting on their
>>> rears. Hands-On Cachers have a cache near Montana Mountain that is
>>> named "Get off the Couch, and Cache" (GC1JQY7) which says it all, as
>>> far as I'm concerned. I think many urban park/parking lot/electrical
>>> boxes/sprinkler head cachers use the excuse that these caches are
>>> hidden for those who just can't do the hiking or off-road caches due
>>> to physical limitations, wrong vehicle, or time constraints. That's
>>> baloney. I feel empathy for those who really are handicapped, but that
>>> group of cachers is a very small minority of the total caching crowd.
>>> For those who have ventured out in the desert or mountains to seek a
>>> hiking/off road cache, my hat's off to you. The feeling of actually
>>> having to put forth some effort to get to one of these caches
>>> is wonderful, and beats doing 25-50 urban caches, hands down. I still
>>> do a few urban caches, if I'm in the mood, but enjoy the caches placed
>>> in the boonies a whole lot more. AZcachemeister and AZgeckogirl, as
>>> well as AJ.JR , TEF, 360, ShadowAce,Desert Rhino, Sprocket 1980,
>>> Roping-the-Wind, Team A.I., Highpointer, Hands-On Cachers, Just Hike
>>> and quite a few others place mostly caches that include some effort to
>>> get to, a scenic location, and a sense of accomplishment. I know the
>>> numbers thing is attractive to quite a few cachers, as we got caught
>>> up in it in the "early" days, but do we need "power trails" such
>>> as Redundant #1 thru #100? There seems to be a rash of cachers placing
>>> caches .10 apart, with little, or no value, other than to pump up the
>>> numbers. Just because you have more finds than somebody else doesn't
>>> mean that you're a better cacher, or that folks respect you more.
>>> Arizona Ranger Team has quite a few less finds than I Do, but
>>> I respect their sense of adventure, and the type of caches they
>>> pursue. Anyway, I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes, and want to
>>> thank all of those cachers who place hides that have some true
>>> value...............
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Regan Smith <mailto:evilfish@cox.net>
>>> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:51 AM
>>> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Why I became a Premium Member
>>>
>>> Ya Know I really didn't want to pay for a Premium Membership, as
>>> for the many years prior Geocaching was about the Geo taking the
>>> GPS putting in coordinates and finding a cache outside..
>>>
>>> Now as if a bad plague I felt it very necessary for me to pay to
>>> Ignore armchair caching, Have all the good stand alone caching
>>> locations been taken that you have to add sitting infront of the
>>> computer playing math and phone games before going out to enjoy
>>> the outdoors. Has climate change done so much to ruin wanting to
>>> spend time outside????
>>>
>>> When Dave Ulmer hid his cache he said come and find it, now how
>>> many take the trip to see that spot??.. Yes times change but the
>>> principle of here is a cache and go find it should not be perverted.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was told by Alex months ago if you do not like that type of hide
>>> why hide one like it? I so want to hide a more devious cache page
>>> cache so all the minority cachers can bitch and moan at their lack
>>> of understanding my logic but will not pervert the game any more.
>>> but the lock and cable will remain....
>>>
>>> Just like giving the challenge to a few other cacher about
>>> stepping up their game I will add now Keep it up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks ACM for the enlightenment of the Ignore button
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