Brian,
Since I don't know you, I get to go by what you put in your messages. If you don't qualify a joke, sarcasm, etc., then people will take it as face value. You can't expect anyone to do a background check first. If you have a computer background then you should appreciate that in digital communications like email and message posts that the onus is on the sender to make their intentions clear because tone of voice just doesn't come across.
I also do not see your point in the rules nitpicking explanation you give. If Jeremy had to put down a rule for every little thing you could and could not do in a cache, that would be his only job. For example, there are laws that I am not allowed to vandalize your property. Is there a law that speicifically says I cannot spraypaint "DUMBASS" onto the front of your home in neon green paint in the middle of the night? I doubt it. By your argument that should be okay since it isn't an exact rule, so if you want to send me your address I'll hook you up. :) Geocaching.com reserves the right to not approve any caches they deem inappropriate, and that is the same catch-all as the vandalism laws.
You do raise a valid point in that the cache approved are not always consistent. If that becomes a problem then, as I suggested originally, discuss it with Geocaching.com and point out discrepency. But your bait and switch approach is still the wrong way to go.
Glad to hear you support Geocaching.com in other ways, however I notice that all of your purchases are things that benefit YOU first, and happen to benefit Geocaching.com along the way. They make a few bucks off of markup and commission, but you are still not actually saying "Hey, you guys have helped give me a fun hobby so I will support you for that alone". Jeremy has said they need more cash to pay the bills, and we charter members are stepping up to cover the gap. You are not. That's what gives me the right to say you are a mooch.
Jeff.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian LaFrance
To:
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different Folks
Jeff,
Apparently you are a very uptight individual. The comment that was made about changing the cache information was more sarcasm than a suggestion. If you knew me (which you don't) I joke constantly about finding loopholes in systems and exploiting them (I'm a computer geek, that's part of my job). Does that mean I take action on it? No. It's the cache owner's responsibility to follow the rules of Geocaching.com. Do the rules state that a cache cannot be adult oriented? No. Do the rules say that a cache cannot be modified to be an adult cache? No. Therefore, was I telling anybody to break any rules? No. If Jeremy didn't want adult caches, he would have put that in the rules. The people who approve the caches are unpaid individuals, not Jeremy. One day you could get a person who would allow the adult oriented cache (see Put that in Your Pipe cache by Chicks With Trucks
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=32238 for an adult oriented cache), another day you would not.
As far as not financially supporting Geocaching.com, who are you to tell us that we need a charter membership to be supporting Geocaching.com? Team LeapLab (which I am a part of) has purchased several Geocaching.com items that support the site as well as over $400 in goods from OffRoute.com which in turn supports Geocaching.com. I'm sure that many of the cachers in Arizona have done the same. I bet that the cut Geocaching.com got for all of our purchases was far more than the cost of a year's membership and we plan to make many more purchases as we get more into Geocaching.
I do respect your opinion, but I felt that you should hear my side of the story before attacking me personally.
Brian
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