[Az-Geocaching] Only an altoids tin!!

Sat Feb 10 09:17:52 MST 2007

Well, I don't like to insult people by saying their cache is crap, but 
aren't they insulting us by bringing us to those areas?
There is nothing of interest at the back of the 99¢ store, nor anything 
clever about a shoe-polish can stuffed in a crack in the building.
If we don't start taking some responsibility for our activities, someone 
else will.
If enough people start 'telling it like it is' then the cachers hiding 
those type of caches just might get the hint.
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Regan Smith wrote:
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> Honesty will get your log deleted...
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> *From:* az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com 
> [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *ShadowAce
> *Sent:* Friday, February 09, 2007 6:15 PM
> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only an altoids tin!!
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> Scott,
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>   With all due respect. Oct 25, 2005 4:02 PM you sent email about how 
> Micros were evil and now that you had finally reached the top find 
> counter in the state you were not going to be going for micros any 
> longer. How only Urban caches had any reason to exist and people 
> should help stop the spread of micro spew.
>  
>  Yet a very large percent of your cache finds are micros even after 
> the posts about how Micros should go away. 1114 terrain 1 and 735 
> difficulty 1 according to the stats you placed on your profile. While 
> I am sick of lamp poles and guard rails myself, I merely pointed that 
> story out because of how many people caching in Arizona tell me at 
> almost every single event 'Permission is not required' or 'Its public 
> property'.
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>  If cachers want to place a micro every 600 feet they will. If they 
> throw caches out with no intention of ever maintaining them, they 
> will. Why? Because every other cacher is writing 'Great cache, thanks 
> for the hide' and not writing....
>
> /I was able to grab this cache quickly though I had to shield the 
> location with my rear side from the dumpster divers./ or /After 
> sifting through the garbage left by the homeless in the area, we found 
> your cache. /
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>  /Never would have known about this place, because we generally avoid 
> dumpsters.
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> / I have been trying to be very honest in my logs about areas such as 
> these and instead of getting 'Hay thanks for warning me that place was 
> going to be so terrible', I receive emails saying 'Why are you such an 
> ass? If you dont like the cache, dont go find it!'
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>  Welp the problem with this is from the writeups you have no idea if 
> it will be a real interesting place such as the one we found last 
> night called Hope, or in a pile of trash until you get to the location.
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>  So instead of complaining about the TYPE of cache, I was merely 
> pointing out that Permission should be obtained on ALL cache hides. 
> Heck I spent 2 years getting permission for one place. 4 weeks to get 
> permission for another cache. 5 weeks of emails to get permission for 
> one location and then other people just throw more caches in the area 
> when they came.. Yep I caught hell from the person that granted me 
> permission to place mine after that.. Joy joy...
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>  If people hate micros so much, why do they continue to grab them and 
> write 'Thanks for the fun'?
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> On 2/9/07, *Roping The Wind* <arizcowboy at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:arizcowboy at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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> The geocacher who placed the altoid tin says he "wished others had 
> told him
> this was not a good place to put a cache". I can only laugh at that
> statement. The gc.com <http://gc.com> site clearly states that you 
> must get permission to
> place a cache on private property!!! Did he not read that little tidbit of
> information? Typical of alot of urban cache hides. Is he now trying to put
> it onto the geocaching community as a whole? Making the whole 
> game/community
> look bad?
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> I do agree though that law enforcement over reacted... kinda like the 
> little
> Boston cartoon 'bomb' scare thing.
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> The other thing that comes to my mind is that he is relatively new to the
> game and this is most of what he has seen so far... a bunch of altoid tins
> behind stores and on electrical boxes and the like. So, he might have
> thought it was totally ok to hide a cache like this... even though, as I
> mentioned before, he should have gotten permission to place it in the 
> first
> place.
>
> I do like this quote though: "I've discovered that I really don't like 
> urban
> caching. I'd rather do it in the woods. That's where it's really fun," he
> said.
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> As of the past month and a half now, I have not found an urban cache 
> hide. I
> dont mind going a week without finding a cache anymore. But I have decided
> that I only want to do rural area caches. Caches that require a hike 
> to get
> to or maybe a nice 4x4 drive or maybe just a drive by cache placed in a
> beautiful location way outside the city limit signs. Or maybe caches 
> placed
> in small towns is ok too. Basically, caches placed with the location in
> mind. I have been using the DGP geocaching site lately to pick and choose
> caches to find.
>
> The past month or so, I have found a much greater enjoyement for the game
> again. It feels like the old days of caching 4 or 5 years ago when I 
> first
> began. I can't say I will never find an urban cache again. But I am
> carefully picking and choosing which ones I want to find.
>
> Scott
> Team Ropingthewind
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