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Well, I don't like to insult people by saying their cache is crap, but
aren't they insulting us by bringing us to those areas?<br>
There is nothing of interest at the back of the 99¢ store, nor anything
clever about a shoe-polish can stuffed in a crack in the building.<br>
If we don't start taking some responsibility for our activities,
someone else will.<br>
If enough people start 'telling it like it is' then the cachers hiding
those type of caches just might get the hint.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>ShadowAce<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, February
09, 2007
6:15 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Az-Geocaching] Only
an altoids tin!!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Scott, <br>
<br>
With all due respect. Oct 25, 2005 4:02 PM you sent email about how
Micros were evil and now that you had finally reached the top find
counter in
the state you were not going to be going for micros any longer. How
only Urban
caches had any reason to exist and people should help stop the spread
of micro
spew. <br>
<br>
Yet a very large percent of your cache finds are micros even after the
posts about how Micros should go away. <span
id="ProfilePanel1_lblProfileText">1114
terrain 1 and </span><span id="ProfilePanel1_lblProfileText">735
difficulty 1
according to the stats you placed on your profile. </span>While I am
sick of
lamp poles and guard rails myself, I merely pointed that story out
because of
how many people caching in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State>
tell me at almost every single event 'Permission is not required' or
'Its
public property'. <br>
<br>
If cachers want to place a micro every 600 feet they will. If they
throw
caches out with no intention of ever maintaining them, they will. Why?
Because
every other cacher is writing 'Great cache, thanks for the hide' and
not
writing.... <br>
<br>
<i><span style="font-style: italic;">I was able to grab this cache
quickly though
I had to shield the location with my rear side from the dumpster divers.</span></i>
or <i><span style="font-style: italic;">After sifting through the
garbage left by
the homeless in the area, we found your cache. </span></i><br>
<br>
<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Never would have known about this
place, because we generally avoid dumpsters.<br>
<br>
</span></i> I have been trying to be very honest in my logs about
areas
such as these and instead of getting 'Hay thanks for warning me that
place was
going to be so terrible', I receive emails saying 'Why are you such an
ass? If
you dont like the cache, dont go find it!' <br>
<br>
Welp the problem with this is from the writeups you have no idea if it
will be a real interesting place such as the one we found last night
called
Hope, or in a pile of trash until you get to the location.<br>
<br>
So instead of complaining about the TYPE of cache, I was merely
pointing
out that Permission should be obtained on ALL cache hides. Heck I spent
2 years
getting permission for one place. 4 weeks to get permission for another
cache.
5 weeks of emails to get permission for one location and then other
people just
throw more caches in the area when they came.. Yep I caught hell from
the
person that granted me permission to place mine after that.. Joy joy...
<br>
<br>
If people hate micros so much, why do they continue to grab them and
write 'Thanks for the fun'?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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2/9/07, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Roping
The Wind</span></b> <<a href="mailto:arizcowboy@hotmail.com">arizcowboy@hotmail.com</a>>
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The geocacher who placed the altoid tin says he "wished others had told
him<br>
this was not a good place to put a cache". I can only laugh at that<br>
statement. The <a href="http://gc.com">gc.com</a> site clearly states
that you
must get permission to <br>
place a cache on private property!!! Did he not read that little tidbit
of<br>
information? Typical of alot of urban cache hides. Is he now trying to
put<br>
it onto the geocaching community as a whole? Making the whole
game/community <br>
look bad?<br>
<br>
I do agree though that law enforcement over reacted... kinda like the
little<br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Boston</st1:place></st1:City>
cartoon
'bomb' scare thing.<br>
<br>
The other thing that comes to my mind is that he is relatively new to
the <br>
game and this is most of what he has seen so far... a bunch of altoid
tins<br>
behind stores and on electrical boxes and the like. So, he might have<br>
thought it was totally ok to hide a cache like this... even though, as
I <br>
mentioned before, he should have gotten permission to place it in the
first<br>
place.<br>
<br>
I do like this quote though: "I've discovered that I really don't like
urban<br>
caching. I'd rather do it in the woods. That's where it's really fun,"
he <br>
said.<br>
<br>
As of the past month and a half now, I have not found an urban cache
hide. I<br>
dont mind going a week without finding a cache anymore. But I have
decided<br>
that I only want to do rural area caches. Caches that require a hike to
get <br>
to or maybe a nice 4x4 drive or maybe just a drive by cache placed in a<br>
beautiful location way outside the city limit signs. Or maybe caches
placed<br>
in small towns is ok too. Basically, caches placed with the location in
<br>
mind. I have been using the DGP geocaching site lately to pick and
choose<br>
caches to find.<br>
<br>
The past month or so, I have found a much greater enjoyement for the
game<br>
again. It feels like the old days of caching 4 or 5 years ago when I
first <br>
began. I can't say I will never find an urban cache again. But I am<br>
carefully picking and choosing which ones I want to find.<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
Team Ropingthewind<br>
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