[Az-Geocaching] Mo' bettah caches!
Brian Casteel
bcasteel at uccinc.net
Mon Mar 7 16:48:56 MST 2005
Ultimately, I think the problem is going to be that everyone won't be happy
until Geocaching happens the way we each as individuals believe it should.
Caching has only been around for 4.5 years, and already there is discussion
of ceding from the Union (sort of). There are some who appreciate 1/1 urban
micros, and there are other who despise them. On the flipside, there are
some of us who hate RTW-style caches, due to the evil nature of them (sorry
Scott), and there are some of us who live for them. Even if nobody cached
there wouldn't be any sort of happy medium, because someone would complain
that nobody is caching.
Groundspeak is not imposing a Patriot Act on caching, but rather responding
to growing concerns before they get out of hand.in other words, proactively.
Where do we think caching would be if it were left unchecked, where there
were no rules to keep it a good experience for all? Not just those who are
caching, but those who are responsible for the areas we cache in? No rules
at all would IMHO signal the imminent death of caching in a very real sense.
I enjoy it immensely, and have yet to have a *real* problem with the rules
as they are. The effort to become an independent nation in Geocaching
should be re-directed into gaining support for it by the various
governmental bodies who could make, or break it for all of us.
Brian
Team A.I.
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[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 4:17 PM
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Mo' bettah caches!
I did not mean to imply that all in the light pole etc caches were lame.
There are a couple of series that are rather humorous and fun (My favorite
drinking hole, welcome to (a town) and my kind of cache come to mind). I was
refering to someone who just stuck one in a bush in a well landscaped
fragment of a home development that will disappear after only a few tries
once the landscapers return for their weekly cutting and clean up.....and
those caches that are not clever or pretty, or interesting in the least but
are stuck under a trashcan. A cache that is a 1/1 is not lame by definition.
I do not want to discourage anyone from placing caches. I learned fast when
I placed my first caches. Some were rather lame. It would be nice tho to try
and encourage improvement of caches if we can. For the record, I love urban
micros. Often we like to get easy ones, to make up for the nuisance of the
dnf's on tougher caches. Sometimes we like easy ones just because we want an
easy casual day of caching. Here
<http://www.geocaching.com/bookmarks/view.aspx?guid=e17b20e5-051f-4526-9e28-
b89f28c7cb75> is a list of good urban easy caches I give out to new cachers
or those who are visiting the valley. (With a couple of harder ones on the
list.) There are many more we enjoyed that are not on this list.
I guess what Im saying in an overly long winded way is.....I would like to
see cache quality improve so that the majority of caches that come online
are a nice variety of difficulty, terrain, and fun. Perhaps part of the
reason they havent been as exciting lately is that many cachers are
discouraged from placing caches any more with recent interactions with
gc.com. I know I have been feeling like that myself. Or maybe it is just gas
prices keeping people from setting caches.
Thanks for letting me rant.
Wogun1 <wogun1 at cox.net> wrote:
Warning! Newby speaking. (Sort of: 6 months caching, 199 found)
I can see that for some of you who have been around a while and/or have high
numbers of caches, the lame urban "been there, done that" caches could get
to be a nuisance. Seeking mo'bettah, mo'interestin', mo'challengin' caches
is normal. But, I have to tell you, I learned to do this
sport--hobby--activity turned obsession-- on those easy urban hides. We had
a GPS for two years before we started caching and had used it only to keep
from getting lost on long Colorado trails. To actually use it to find a set
of coordinates which lead to a light pole in a parking lot was a new
experience. I can still remember shaking my head in disbelief the first time
we drove all the way across town to look under a mail box and find an
altoids container! I was thrilled! Same for light pole caches! Two weeks ago
we took one of our friend's who was here visiting from Wisconsin, to a
nearby convenience store which happened to have a cache. She had never heard
of geocaching and had never seen a cache of any kind. When we nabbed the
quick find, she was in awe. Talked about it for days: "Where else can we go?
Where else are they hidden? Is there one there? Or there?" Sooo, I think
the lame ones have their place. Sure no one wants it to get out of hand, but
I am not sure what criteria would be used to determine what is enough,you
know? If we had tried to find one of graldich's evil canal mini-micros first
time out with our friend, she would have thought we were nuts. Why would
anyone in their right mind put themselves through that on a regular basis?
:-)
Personally, I love the big ammo cans in the mountain hides, but let's face
it, I can't hike enough everyday to feed this addiction. We consider
ourselves to be "serious cachers" (it has taken over our lives in fact) but
maybe we are still just learning and not ready for the big leagues. We
still love to find them all: easy, hard, creative, no brainers, it doesn't
matter. Once we reach # 500 we will rethink!
Terry
of wogunhiker
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[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:05 PM
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mo' bettah caches!
Actually, for virtuals and locationless (since they are cacha non grata at
gc.com) a friend of mine has a server, and for not too much money per year,
I can have a website to set up and log such types of caches. I toyed with
that idea for awhile. I love those kinds of caches too. I was also thinking
of adding historical markers on it. For those at gc.com who are listening, I
was in no way shape or form wanting to draw away from gc.com, only wanting
to give people (and me) some things we want that gc.com doesnt provide for
any more.
Gale <sonoralovesmommy at yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes I would like to see higher quality caches. We have a lot of good caches,
and a lot of "here's a bush, here's a trash can, here's a light fixture" in
a non descript area, hidden just because they can be hidden. It would be
better to have more local control, since one size fits all rules dont really
work as well. What applies in one part of the world/US doesnt necessarily
apply here. But........would having it seperate from geocaching.com really
work? Will we lose cachers in Arizona? GC.com would come up readily in a
search, but would azgc.com? Can azgc.com handle the load? More importantly,
would they want to? Oy the headaches!
TEAM 360 <team360usa at yahoo.com> wrote:
Quality of caches would improve DRAMATICALLY if 3 out of 5 reviewers had to
give it a "yes" vote before it got listed....Wouldn't you rather see QUALITY
caches here in Arizona, rather than the current onslaught of
behind-the-WalMart-dumpster-soggy-logsheet micro caches?
Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898
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On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
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"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
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