[Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban caches
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I have to say I didn't like micros at first. I didn't know why ANYONE =
would want to do anything other than 4WD after a cache! The views were =
what I wanted to see when I reached a cache. I wanted trails. Some of =
the most interesting caches I have done recently have been micros =
though. I guess it's all in the skill of the person doing the hide. I =
don't like the magnet-under-a-newspaper-box as much, but there are a few =
that I think the hider actually had a really good idea with.
It's like Easter Egg hunting as a kid. When you were young they were =
"hidden" on the ground spread out in the yard. As you got tougher the =
hiders adjusted with you and their experience level at hiding increased =
to putting them in tree branches or whatever. Now we're all like a =
group of kids with a wide range of ages. There's caches hidden out =
there for all age groups. My father-in-law couldn't find a 1/1.5 =
yesterday on his third trip out to find it, but then again it was his =
first cache. I'm glad he has some easy ones.
I think maybe a user rating system on the caches might help people sort =
them out. Next to the hider's diff/terr rating could be the finder's =
rating. It could be based on experience level suggested and level of =
fun at finding the cache. We already have a way to write a quick review =
to the hider on what we thought/suggest about the hide. Maybe an =
average of ratings by users would be helpful, too.
I still like hiking after a cache a lot, but having some for a quick =
grab (or not so quick puzzle to work on with the family) is great to get =
my family interested and give me something to do when my wife takes me =
shopping!
Noah from Team J
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
Wrom: ZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMH
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about =
micro/urban caches
Another topic probably worthy of discussion. Does anybody out there =
believe somebody can search for and find every cache they have ever =
looked for? I don't think those cachers are fooling anybody, but =
themselves. I know everybody has probably made numerous trips to certain =
cache sites before finally finding it, but I know there are some cachers =
out there who have been to a cache site numerous times,and have never =
logged a no find or a note on the cache page. Why? As Rob said , this is =
a "game" and shouldn't be taken as having worldly consequences. I know =
we hate to be stumped on a hunt and will return numerous times to try =
and find the cache, but will admit defeat and applaud the hider for =
giving us a difficult search. I don't feel there is any "shame " in not =
being able to find the cache, although it can sure eat at you trying to =
figure out where it is. One such cache for us was Mini-Forest. After =
getting clues from AJ.JR, we still had a hard time finding it. Other =
teams seemed to walk up and find it immediately. Go figure. But that's =
what makes this game so much fun. If every cache was a quick find, it =
could get a little boring out there. We don't really care for urban =
micros that much, but graldrich, AJ.JR, Sprocket, and others have placed =
a few that we really had fun with. Taking a hike thru the desert in =
Spring to find an ammo box covered in rocks or stuffed in a crevice is a =
lot more enjoyable to us, than searching under a swing set or in a =
garbage can at Bashas, but that's just our opinion, and I'm sure not =
everybody agrees with us. I know we won't lose any sleep over it. =
Anyway, we would like to thank all the different geocachers who have =
placed caches out there, as we have really enjoyed getting to see =
different places and getting history lessons, that are a lot more fun to =
learn that reading a book in high school or college...........Flatiron =
and Mrs. Wrangler=20
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: AALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIG
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:11 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about =
micro/urban caches
Well, I (Rob from Team Red Dog) have been reading all of the posts =
which=20
seem to portray very opinionated views on what Geocaching "should" =
be all=20
about.I believe that the "game" should be about whatever each team =
finds=20
enjoyable or gratifying about it!!! I am sure that there are no two
teams that cache for the same reasons. There have been a lot of =
issues=20
addressed by some teams
who have been scrutinized for there cache placement ideas, or just =
cache=20
placements in general.
These criticisms have come come under the guise of perpetuating the =
sport of=20
Geocaching.
They have come from teams who have very high rankings in the =
AZGeocaching=20
standings.
Some of whom are stating that they are fed up with the urban micro's =
or=20
un-interesting localized
caches. "It's not about the numbers!" some have said. Ironically, =
they are=20
the top teams in Az.
"At least in the numbers game." And I don't see anyone questioning =
their=20
100% find ratios?
But, it isn't about the numbers for them, RIGHT?
Our team has tried our best to keep the upper-echelon entertained =
with=20
creative caches.
We ourselves find it most gratifying to achieve great reviews on our =
"Caches=20
Placed". For us,
this is what we find exciting about the game. Bringing different,=20
challenging, creative ideas "to
the table"... so to speak.We are most definately NOT the most =
experienced=20
team to play the game of Geocaching. However, I do feel that there =
is NO ONE=20
WAY TO PLAY THIS GAME !!!
As we have been reminded many times over ,in our earlier days.
I would like to state that this is ONLY my OPINION. But I do find =
it=20
perplexing, that the number one team in AZ. is complaining about =
"NUMBERS" .=20
Especially having placed only 2 caches(Neither of which we have been =
abled=20
to retrieve , because of certain limitations)
We have tried to place interesting MICRO'S in rural, areas . But =
have come=20
to find that even in these settings, there will always be direct and =
derogatory critiquing on hard to find micro's.
If micro-caches should never have been introduced to the game, than =
where=20
would teams like
GrAldrich, AzCachmeister,Randman,AJJR and ourselves have to go with =
our=20
"CREATIVITY"???
After all, there are over 500 teams in AZ.
How many ways can you hide an ammo can under a pile of rocks??????
Rob.... Team Red Dog
Peaceloveandgoodhappinessstuff,
Trust in God
~Namaste'
>Wrom: YOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHS
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about =
micro/urban=20
>caches
>Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:49:23 -0700
>
>How eloquently put Bill
>~ Team RED DOG
>
>
>
>
>Peaceloveandgoodhappinessstuff,
>Trust in God
>~Namaste'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "EvilFISH" <EvilFish@cox.net>
>>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about =
micro/urban=20
>>caches
>>Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:19:57 -0700
>>
>>let me add hiding a cache with the intent of it being found....
>>
>>
>>anyway
>>
>>back to work
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bill Nolan
>> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:53 AM
>> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about =
micro/urban=20
>>caches
>>
>>
>> Ah yes, another controversy.. This is such an interesting =
group. =20
>>There are obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but some =
participants=20
>>feel threatened if you choose to enjoy it in some other way than =
their=20
>>favorite. We have the Urban vs Rural, Micro vs Traditional, =
Hiders vs=20
>>Finders, and, of course, the Numbers People vs the No-Numbers =
People. I'm=20
>>sure many of you can think of others. Then we wonder why war is =
so=20
>>common.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have experienced this firsthand. My wife and I choose not to =
log=20
>>caches, not because we think there is anything wrong with the =
numbers=20
>>game, but simply because we don't want to participate in that. =
When I=20
>>mentioned that on this list, I received several private emails =
(from=20
>>people still active here) that could only be described as abusive =
and=20
>>threatening. Part of that was because I was interviewed by a =
reporter=20
>>from Phoenix who knew me and knew I was active in the sport, and =
some here=20
>>didn't think I had the "numbers" to speak out like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then we made our second mistake. We placed a cache. It wasn't =
>>anything special, but the emails it brought me were even worse =
than the=20
>>first batch. How dare I place a cache when my find numbers were =
so low? =20
>>It was obvious I didn't have the experience to actually place a =
cache. =20
>>Well, I'm a fast learner. The other ammo cans I bought are still =
sitting,=20
>>fully stocked, out in my storage shed. I didn't want to get any =
more=20
>>nasty emails. Too bad. We do a lot of 4-wheeling, and I have =
some good=20
>>places in mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Geocaching is a great sport, accessible to people of all ages =
and=20
>>levels of physical ability. If it fails the test of time, it will =
be=20
>>because of people who think their way is the right way - the ONLY =
right=20
>>way.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, we will continue to play, our way. We don't log our finds =
very=20
>>often, and we don't do urban caches. Since we choose to live 8 =
miles=20
>>outside a very small town, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we =
avoid=20
>>cities. We also quit hiding caches, so those of you here who =
jumped all=20
>>over us for the first one (you know who you are) - well, I'll give =
you a=20
>>win on that one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------=
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>>
>> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
>>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf =
Of Gale
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:21 AM
>>
>>
>> Next time you place a cache......let's get back to what made us =
want to=20
>>go
>> geocaching in the first place."
>>
>>
>>
>> I had to respond to this one.
>>
>>
>>
>> This article was written by someone who wants to return to the =
days=20
>>where only physically fit people have access to caches. Like it or =
not,=20
>>other people have become geocachers. Physically unfit people have=20
>>discovered an activity they can enjoy. I dont see why both cache =
types=20
>>cant co-exist? Ive seen some nice rural caches, as well as junky =
ones.=20
>>Same with urban caches
>>
>>
>>
>> "Again, lately I have really been enjoying the occasional cache =
I have=20
>>found
>> as I have been really only doing wilderness hiking caches =
around=20
>>Sedona.
>> They are my kind of fun."
>>
>>
>>
>> Thats great Scott, but it is not my idea of fun. Feel free to =
play your=20
>>way. I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever since falling down =
stairs 12=20
>>yrs ago, I have not had the mobility I used to have. I would like =
to=20
>>continue to play the game my way without feeling like an unwelcome =
>>outsider.
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I have to say I didn't like micros at =
first. I=20
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cache! The views were what I wanted to see when I reached a =
cache. I=20
wanted trails. Some of the most interesting caches I have =
done=20
recently have been micros though. I guess it's all in the skill of =
the=20
person doing the hide. I don't like the =
magnet-under-a-newspaper-box as=20
much, but there are a few that I think the hider actually had a really =
good idea=20
with.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>It's like Easter Egg hunting as a kid. =
When you were=20
young they were "hidden" on the ground spread out in the yard. As =
you got=20
tougher the hiders adjusted with you and their experience level at =
hiding=20
increased to putting them in tree branches or whatever. Now we're =
all like=20
a group of kids with a wide range of ages. There's caches hidden =
out there=20
for all age groups. My father-in-law couldn't find a 1/1.5 =
yesterday on=20
his third trip out to find it, but then again it was his first =
cache. I'm=20
glad he has some easy ones.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I think maybe a user rating system on the caches =
might=20
help people sort them out. Next to the hider's diff/terr rating =
could be=20
the finder's rating. It could be based on experience level =
suggested and=20
level of fun at finding the cache. We already have a way to write =
a quick=20
review to the hider on what we thought/suggest about the hide. =
Maybe an=20
average of ratings by users would be helpful, too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I still like hiking after a cache a lot, but =
having some=20
for a quick grab (or not so quick puzzle to work on with the family) is =
great to=20
get my family interested and give me something to do when my wife takes =
me=20
shopping!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Noah from Team J</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=3DFastball50@msn.com =
href=3D"mailto:Fastball50@msn.com">PATRICK=20
FINLEY</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 06, 2004 =
5:39=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
RE:=20
forwarded forum post about micro/urban caches</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Another topic probably worthy of discussion. Does anybody out =
there=20
believe somebody can search for and find every cache they have=20
ever looked for? I don't think those cachers are fooling anybody, =
but=20
themselves. I know everybody has probably made numerous trips to =
certain cache=20
sites before finally finding it, but I know there are some cachers out =
there=20
who have been to a cache site numerous times,and have never logged a =
no find=20
or a note on the cache page. Why? As Rob said , this is a "game" and =
shouldn't=20
be taken as having worldly consequences. I know we hate to be stumped =
on a=20
hunt and will return numerous times to try and find the cache, but =
will admit=20
defeat and applaud the hider for giving us a difficult search. I don't =
feel=20
there is any "shame " in not being able to find the cache, although it =
can=20
sure eat at you trying to figure out where it is. One such cache for =
us was=20
Mini-Forest. After getting clues from AJ.JR, we still had a hard time =
finding=20
it. Other teams seemed to walk up and find it immediately. Go figure. =
But=20
that's what makes this game so much fun. If every cache was a quick =
find, it=20
could get a little boring out there. We don't really care for urban =
micros=20
that much, but graldrich, AJ.JR, Sprocket, and others have placed a =
few that=20
we really had fun with. Taking a hike thru the desert in Spring to =
find an=20
ammo box covered in rocks or stuffed in a crevice is a lot more =
enjoyable to=20
us, than searching under a swing set or in a garbage can at Bashas, =
but that's=20
just our opinion, and I'm sure not everybody agrees with us. I know we =
won't=20
lose any sleep over it. Anyway, we would like to thank all the =
different=20
geocachers who have placed caches out there, as we have really enjoyed =
getting=20
to see different places and getting history lessons, that are a lot =
more fun=20
to learn that reading a book in high school or =
college...........Flatiron and=20
Mrs. Wrangler </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
Delora McCalliste r</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 05, =
2004 9:11=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
RE:=20
forwarded forum post about micro/urban caches</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Well, I (Rob from Team Red Dog) have been reading =
all of=20
the posts which <BR>seem to portray very opinionated views on what=20
Geocaching "should" be all <BR>about.I believe that the "game" =
should be=20
about whatever each team finds <BR>enjoyable or gratifying about =
it!!! I am=20
sure that there are no two<BR>teams that cache for the same reasons. =
There=20
have been a lot of issues <BR>addressed by some teams<BR>who have =
been=20
scrutinized for there cache placement ideas, or just cache =
<BR>placements in=20
general.<BR>These criticisms have come come under the guise of =
perpetuating=20
the sport of <BR>Geocaching.<BR>They have come from teams who have =
very high=20
rankings in the AZGeocaching <BR>standings.<BR>Some of whom are =
stating that=20
they are fed up with the urban micro's or <BR>un-interesting=20
localized<BR>caches. "It's not about the numbers!" some have said.=20
Ironically, they are <BR>the top teams in Az.<BR>"At least in the =
numbers=20
game." And I don't see anyone questioning their <BR>100% find=20
ratios?<BR>But, it isn't about the numbers for them, =
RIGHT?<BR><BR>Our team=20
has tried our best to keep the upper-echelon entertained with =
<BR>creative=20
caches.<BR>We ourselves find it most gratifying to achieve great =
reviews on=20
our "Caches <BR>Placed". For us,<BR>this is what we find exciting =
about the=20
game. Bringing different, <BR>challenging, creative ideas "to<BR>the =
table"... so to speak.We are most definately NOT the most =
experienced=20
<BR>team to play the game of Geocaching. However, I do feel that =
there is NO=20
ONE <BR>WAY TO PLAY THIS GAME !!!<BR>As we have been reminded many =
times=20
over ,in our earlier days.<BR><BR> I would like to state that =
this is=20
ONLY my OPINION. But I do find it <BR>perplexing, that the number =
one team=20
in AZ. is complaining about "NUMBERS" . <BR>Especially having placed =
only 2=20
caches(Neither of which we have been abled <BR>to retrieve , because =
of=20
certain limitations)<BR>We have tried to place interesting MICRO'S =
in rural,=20
areas . But have come <BR>to find that even in these settings, there =
will=20
always be direct and <BR>derogatory critiquing on hard to find=20
micro's.<BR>If micro-caches should never have been introduced to the =
game,=20
than where <BR>would teams like<BR>GrAldrich, =
AzCachmeister,Randman,AJJR and=20
ourselves have to go with our <BR>"CREATIVITY"???<BR>After all, =
there are=20
over 500 teams in AZ.<BR><BR>How many ways can you hide an ammo can =
under a=20
pile of rocks??????<BR><BR>Rob.... Team Red=20
Dog<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Peaceloveandgoodhappinessstuff,<BR>Trust in=20
God<BR>~Namaste'<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Delora =
McCallister"=20
<delora@hotmail.com><BR>>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>>To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: =
forwarded=20
forum post about micro/urban <BR>>caches<BR>>Date: Wed, 04 Aug =
2004=20
16:49:23 -0700<BR>><BR>>How eloquently put Bill<BR>>~ Team =
RED=20
=
DOG<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Peaceloveandgoodhappinessstuff=
,<BR>>Trust=20
in=20
=
God<BR>>~Namaste'<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>&=
gt;>From:=20
"EvilFISH" <EvilFish@cox.net><BR>>>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>>>To:=20
<listserv@azgeocaching.com><BR>>>Subject: Re: =
[Az-Geocaching]=20
RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban=20
<BR>>>caches<BR>>>Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:19:57=20
-0700<BR>>><BR>>>let me add hiding a cache with the =
intent of it=20
being=20
=
found....<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>anyway<BR>>><BR>>&g=
t;back=20
to work<BR>>> ----- Original Message=20
-----<BR>>> From: Bill =
Nolan<BR>>> To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, =
August=20
04, 2004 6:53 AM<BR>>> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] =
RE:=20
forwarded forum post about micro/urban=20
<BR>>>caches<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
Ah yes,=20
another controversy.. This is such an interesting =
group. =20
<BR>>>There are obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but =
some=20
participants <BR>>>feel threatened if you choose to enjoy it =
in some=20
other way than their <BR>>>favorite. We have the Urban =
vs Rural,=20
Micro vs Traditional, Hiders vs <BR>>>Finders, and, of course, =
the=20
Numbers People vs the No-Numbers People. I'm <BR>>>sure =
many of=20
you can think of others. Then we wonder why war is so=20
=
<BR>>>common.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
=20
I have experienced this firsthand. My wife and I choose not to =
log=20
<BR>>>caches, not because we think there is anything wrong =
with the=20
numbers <BR>>>game, but simply because we don't want to =
participate in=20
that. When I <BR>>>mentioned that on this list, I =
received=20
several private emails (from <BR>>>people still active here) =
that=20
could only be described as abusive and =
<BR>>>threatening. Part=20
of that was because I was interviewed by a reporter <BR>>>from =
Phoenix=20
who knew me and knew I was active in the sport, and some here=20
<BR>>>didn't think I had the "numbers" to speak out like=20
that.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
Then we=20
made our second mistake. We placed a cache. It wasn't=20
<BR>>>anything special, but the emails it brought me were even =
worse=20
than the <BR>>>first batch. How dare I place a cache =
when my=20
find numbers were so low? <BR>>>It was obvious I didn't =
have the=20
experience to actually place a cache. <BR>>>Well, I'm a =
fast=20
learner. The other ammo cans I bought are still sitting,=20
<BR>>>fully stocked, out in my storage shed. I didn't =
want to=20
get any more <BR>>>nasty emails. Too bad. We do a =
lot of=20
4-wheeling, and I have some good <BR>>>places in=20
mind.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
Geocaching=20
is a great sport, accessible to people of all ages and =
<BR>>>levels of=20
physical ability. If it fails the test of time, it will be=20
<BR>>>because of people who think their way is the right way - =
the=20
ONLY right=20
=
<BR>>>way.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> &nb=
sp;=20
So, we will continue to play, our way. We don't log our finds =
very=20
<BR>>>often, and we don't do urban caches. Since we =
choose to=20
live 8 miles <BR>>>outside a very small town, it shouldn't =
come as a=20
surprise that we avoid <BR>>>cities. We also quit hiding =
caches,=20
so those of you here who jumped all <BR>>>over us for the =
first one=20
(you know who you are) - well, I'll give you a <BR>>>win on =
that=20
one.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =20
=
Bill<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>---------=
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>><BR>>> =20
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
<BR>>>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] =
On Behalf=20
Of Gale<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 =
5:21=20
AM<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Next time you =
place a=20
cache......let's get back to what made us want to=20
<BR>>>go<BR>>> geocaching in the first=20
place."<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
I had to=20
respond to this=20
one.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
This=20
article was written by someone who wants to return to the days=20
<BR>>>where only physically fit people have access to caches. =
Like it=20
or not, <BR>>>other people have become geocachers. Physically =
unfit=20
people have <BR>>>discovered an activity they can enjoy. I =
dont see=20
why both cache types <BR>>>cant co-exist? Ive seen some nice =
rural=20
caches, as well as junky ones. <BR>>>Same with urban=20
caches<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
"Again,=20
lately I have really been enjoying the occasional cache I have=20
<BR>>>found<BR>>> as I have been really only =
doing=20
wilderness hiking caches around =
<BR>>>Sedona.<BR>>> =20
They are my kind of=20
fun."<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =
Thats=20
great Scott, but it is not my idea of fun. Feel free to play your=20
<BR>>>way. I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever since falling =
down=20
stairs 12 <BR>>>yrs ago, I have not had the mobility I used to =
have. I=20
would like to <BR>>>continue to play the game my way without =
feeling=20
like an unwelcome=20
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