> Well, I didn't recall seeing it before, but figured it had been added
> in previously because it doesn't seem to make much sense to have it
> given that ALRs are not binding.
>
> So, again, my original, unanswered question, why have any ALRs at all?
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, ShadowAce <shadowace.az
> <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> They did not remove that section because that section did not
> exist until the changes this week.
>
> That section "/Challenge caches incorporate special logging
> requirements and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically
> they require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable
> geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo qualify
> too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every county in
> your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please
> include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have
> met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other
> geocachers would be able to do so." /was just created, so removing
> it would be a fairly odd choice.
>
> On 4/5/09, *AZTech* <aztech.gc@gmail.com
> <mailto:aztech.gc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree. Everyone plays the game according to their own
> preferences, whether it be going after only tough hikes,
> difficult puzzles or simply logging as many finds as possible,
> so this just limits our options. I'm especially surprised
> that they opted not to grandfather existing caches and instead
> made the change retroactive.
>
> While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to
> see that they didn't remove the following section from the
> guidelines for Mystery or Puzzle Caches:
>
> /Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements and
> are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they require
> the seeker to have previously met a reasonable
> geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo
> qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every
> county in your state. If you are thinking of creating such a
> cache, please include a note to the reviewer demonstrating
> either that you have met the challenge yourself, or that a
> substantial number of other geocachers would be able to do so./
>
> In light of the new guideline, that /"Cache finders can choose
> whether or not to attempt or accomplish optional tasks"/,
> what's the purpose of putting out a challenge cache if cachers
> aren't required to complete the challenge to log the find?
> Why have any ALRs at all?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL HOCKWITT
> <melhockwitt@msn.com <mailto:melhockwitt@msn.com>> wrote:
>
> Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way.
> Too many rules have killed many an organization and put
> bad tastes in the mouths of the members.
>
> My thoughts.
> Mel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ShadowAce <mailto:shadowace.az@gmail.com>
> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com
> <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:03 AM
> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...
>
> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388
>
> Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed.
>
> So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging
> Requirements needs be altered or archived because "You
> must find and prove you have found 40 caches on a
> Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign
> the log and claim a find"
>
> Please make sure you note the changes to the
> guidelines dates April 2009:
>
> 3. *A section called Logging of All Physical Caches
> <http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#loggingofallcaches>
> has been added to the guidelines.*
>
> QUOTE
> Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the
> physical log has been signed.
>
> If it is appropriate for your cache location or theme,
> you may ask the cache seeker to accomplish an optional
> and simple task, either close to the cache site
> (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or when
> writing their online log. For example, wear the goofy
> hat inside the cache container and upload a
> photograph. Cache finders can choose whether or not to
> attempt or accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners may
> not delete the cache seeker's log based solely on
> optional tasks.
>
> This guideline change applies immediately to all logs
> written from April 4, 2009 and going forward. Older
> caches with "additional logging requirements" (ALRs)
> are not grandfathered under the older guideline. If
> you own an existing cache with mandatory additional
> logging requirements, we request that you:
>
> * Cease deleting logs based on additional logging
> requirements.
> * Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR
> can be made into an optional and simple task, or
> whether it must be removed altogether.
> * Adjust your geocache listing by editing the text
> then contact a reviewer to change the cache
> type, if appropriate.
>
>
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