Apparently there were ALRs being created (in other areas) that did not relate in any way to Geocaching. So, by the new section, it seems that /Geocaching related challenges/ are acceptable. ACM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AZTech wrote: > Well, I didn't recall seeing it before, but figured it had been added > in previously because it doesn't seem to make much sense to have it > given that ALRs are not binding. > > So, again, my original, unanswered question, why have any ALRs at all? > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, ShadowAce @gmail.com > wrote: > > They did not remove that section because that section did not > exist until the changes this week. > > That section "/Challenge caches incorporate special logging > requirements and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically > they require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable > geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo qualify > too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every county in > your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please > include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have > met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other > geocachers would be able to do so." /was just created, so removing > it would be a fairly odd choice. > > On 4/5/09, *AZTech* > wrote: > > I agree. Everyone plays the game according to their own > preferences, whether it be going after only tough hikes, > difficult puzzles or simply logging as many finds as possible, > so this just limits our options. I'm especially surprised > that they opted not to grandfather existing caches and instead > made the change retroactive. > > While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to > see that they didn't remove the following section from the > guidelines for Mystery or Puzzle Caches: > > /Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements and > are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they require > the seeker to have previously met a reasonable > geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo > qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every > county in your state. If you are thinking of creating such a > cache, please include a note to the reviewer demonstrating > either that you have met the challenge yourself, or that a > substantial number of other geocachers would be able to do so./ > > In light of the new guideline, that /"Cache finders can choose > whether or not to attempt or accomplish optional tasks"/, > what's the purpose of putting out a challenge cache if cachers > aren't required to complete the challenge to log the find? > Why have any ALRs at all? > > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL HOCKWITT > > wrote: > > Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way. > Too many rules have killed many an organization and put > bad tastes in the mouths of the members. > > My thoughts. > Mel > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ShadowAce > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:03 AM > *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ... > > http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388 > > Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed. > > So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging > Requirements needs be altered or archived because "You > must find and prove you have found 40 caches on a > Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign > the log and claim a find" > > Please make sure you note the changes to the > guidelines dates April 2009: > > 3. *A section called Logging of All Physical Caches > > has been added to the guidelines.* > > QUOTE > Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the > physical log has been signed. > > If it is appropriate for your cache location or theme, > you may ask the cache seeker to accomplish an optional > and simple task, either close to the cache site > (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or when > writing their online log. For example, wear the goofy > hat inside the cache container and upload a > photograph. Cache finders can choose whether or not to > attempt or accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners may > not delete the cache seeker's log based solely on > optional tasks. > > This guideline change applies immediately to all logs > written from April 4, 2009 and going forward. Older > caches with "additional logging requirements" (ALRs) > are not grandfathered under the older guideline. If > you own an existing cache with mandatory additional > logging requirements, we request that you: > > * Cease deleting logs based on additional logging > requirements. > * Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR > can be made into an optional and simple task, or > whether it must be removed altogether. > * Adjust your geocache listing by editing the text > then contact a reviewer to change the cache > type, if appropriate. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com >