I agree 100% with you Steve !
On 10/9/07, Steven Stringham <
Steve@stringhams.org> wrote:
> So, lets see - a free event - at the local burrito place. So, if I want
> to eat, I get to pay for it myself. Great. No, problem. I can pay for
> myself. I am a big boy after all. (some might disagree). So, effort to
> bring this cache event into being? Talking to the local owner (some
> courage required - ok), and a posting on the site. Maybe a signup sheet,
> $20 for an ammo can to give away with some toys to put in from the $1
> store. Gotcha.
>
> Lets see - last years event - in Casa Grande.
> Organizing the location with the owner of the property - and paying for
> everyone's entrance fees for the property use.
> Grass brought in and planted for the kids to play.
> Props built and setup for the multiple events. This over many months of
> planning, creation and expense.
> Food provided, free of charge to all. Yes, donations accepted, in both
> food and cash.
> Many, many prizes given for door prizes and event given away. Including
> multiple GPS units, Ipods, etc. Many donated, yes. Many, not.
> A kids area setup, manned with baby sitting for event participants
> children so they could enjoy the more active events of the evening.
> A HUGE daytime event setup as a road rally. Those that participated
> seemed to have a good time. But, many of the slots that were signed up
> for, (with a waiting list, I might add) were no shows.
> Transport for the props, etc. Setup/teardown - many many manhours from
> many people (Shadowace and many others put in countless hours - I know -
> I was watching them work - It is fun to watch others work!)
>
> Who paid for ALL this? Who organized this - over MANY MONTHS of hard
> work and sleepless nights (the answer is not me by the way) Who got any
> real thanks? Oh, and that was YEAR 4 of doing this (I know - I have
> either been at or helped at each of them). Is it any wonder that costs
> might be desired to be recouped? While, at the SAME TIME giving
> consideration to the roots of the event - and its real participants?
> Don't be petty people.
>
>
> Brian Casteel wrote:
> >
> > Rather than getting into a battle over this, I'll answer once with
> > what I know and leave it at that.
> >
> > There is some backlash to the cost because in the past it was free to
> > attend, and at least in the case of the first HR that I helped
> > organize, very few donations hit the table to even begin to cover the
> > cost of food that was grilled, along with other items and materials
> > used to create the HR environment. Subsequent years? I don't know
> > because I moved to BigSky Country and circumstances haven't yet worked
> > in my favor to be able to make it down there. I stated last week that
> > if those who are complaining only knew what it cost to put one of
> > these events on, attitudes might change a bit, but so far they haven't.
> >
> > The other backlash as I understand it is due to the fact that this is
> > no longer a Geocacher ONLY event. It was opened up to the masses,
> > presumably for reasons I can understand, but don't necessarily agree
> > with. Posting on craigslist and azcentral the event information is
> > counter-productive to sentiments regarding the event, which has always
> > been about cachers. Rather than keeping it at the caliber it has
> > always been at, perhaps it could have been scaled back instead, or
> > simply not posted to those sites that turned this into a perceived
> > commercial cache. While opening it up to the masses is a way to bring
> > new cachers into the fold, I don't agree with the way it was done.
> >
> > But seriously though. The folks taking (in some cases repeated) shots
> > really need to grow up and perhaps take the time to understand why
> > there is now a cost to attend, whereas in the past there was not.
> >
> > Personally, I think mistakes were made on both sides of this. First,
> > by turning it 'commercial' by publishing information about outside of
> > gc.com, and then those who reverted back to 4^th grade immaturity in
> > their stabs at the turn of events.
> >
> > Unless there are some changes (not sure what or how exactly), I
> > suspect that this year will be the final HR.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Team A.I.
> >
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> >
> > *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> > [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of
> > *ShadowAce
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:02 AM
> > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Er? Halloween RadioActive Event
> >
> > I received an email from a friend saying they were glad to see that
> > Team Evil Fish helped Tamo get a listing for Halloween RadioActive.
> >
> > I then asked what they were referring to and they said ..
> >
> > IamHungryFish: Geolizing Event #17 by Team Evil Fish GC16FHA is the
> > listed cache for people to get a 'smiley' for attending Halloween
> > RadioActive.
> >
> > I had to inform them that the event by evil fish is over 27 miles away
> > as a crow flies and begins 2 hours after the HRA event.
> >
> > Now I am seeing all sorts of logs on the cache within a business
> > called Someburros' is getting all sorts of notes that seem to be
> > taking an attack at the Halloween RadioActive event. Am I missing some
> > joke by Phoenix cachers down here in the southern parts? Or do people
> > really think the HRA gatherings are that much of a waste of time?
> >
> > I am asking because we (my family) are putting in a lot of time again
> > this year to ensure everyone has fun and we are trying to 'out do'
> > what we have done in the past. Is this really something that
> > geocachers are upset about?
> >
> > Maybe I am just confused, but logs such as:
> > 'Oh great! A real event. I will be there with WhirledCache.'
> > and
> > ' Wow, you sure this isn't a typo? You know, it's funny, I didn't see
> > a $20 admission charge here. I don't even need to 'pre-register'. Or
> > would that be 'FREE-register'? Well, I happen to be FREE that day, and
> > since you are considerate enough to make this a FREE event for the
> > Geocaching Community, I'll feel FREE to show up!
> > Looking forward to a REAL Halloween Event!
> > Thanks, Evil(FREE)Fish!'
> >
> > seem to be pretty direct attacks on Tamo for all the work he and his
> > family put into this.
> >
> > Is this what geocaching is now about? I keep hearing about how
> > friendly and supportive the geocaching community is but then we see
> > things like this and have to wonder what happened that we are not
> > hearing about. Would any of the Phoenix cachers care to let others
> > know what is happening?
> >
> > Thank you
> > -Dirk/ShadowAce
> >
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