Re: [Az-Geocaching] 2007 Arizona CITO Coin

Here's my take on this.



As I've understood it, Jake originally created this artwork more as a
personal gift to me, intended as thanks for getting the Adopt-A-Highway
program started and for the CITO Always cache itself. But he took my
positive response and turned toward making a coin design out of it instead
once the realization hit that it would make a great coin design. At at that
point, he bounced ideas off me and I gave him input, which he then took into
consideration when working up the design. Not once did I interject and make
this to be all about me, and never intended to either. It really wouldn't
have made any difference to me if CITO Always had been adopted by someone
else and still used as a reference, but since others agreed to keep an eye
on it for me; I maintained ownership of that cache. In fact, the only way
this coin design references me is if one goes and looks up the information
for the cache that's 25' from the sign and notices who the owner of the
cache is.



Again, as stated on the page and my initial post, there have been no steps
taken beyond the artwork being created. It was posted merely to gauge
interest in the coin. If the design proceeds to a coin being produced, I
suppose the reference could be changed to address a region rather than a
state. It's not THE Arizona CITO coin, but A Arizona CITO coin. I didn't
catch where you got that reference at first, but see it posted on the actual
page for the coin concept. I think that was more of an error in word choice
than anything, because I always saw it as a great design and one of the more
appropriate geocoins to go into production, given the mass influx of coins
that have absolutely nothing to do with caching.



If there is desire for some sort of official Arizona CITO coin, then great.
I still think this one should be made, but under a different banner of
sorts. At the same time, aside from the coordinates, nobody else outside of
Phoenix would really know (or care) that the sign used as the basis for the
artwork was in the metro Phoenix area, except for those cachers in-state
aware of its existence. For all the rest, for all they know the sign could
be in Lake Havasu, or Willcox. It became a design that identified with
Arizona Geocachers in general, but references a specific cache that is still
active. When I filled out paperwork to get that section adopted, I made the
name a general reference to give props to ALL Arizona Geocachers, but just
as easily could have said "Phoenix Geocachers" or "Central Arizona
Geocachers," but I wanted to give recognition to everyone in general.
Fortunately, the area has required less maintenance over time because
cachers who attend those clean-ups do a wonderful job and the trash didn't
have a chance to pile up anymore. That doesn't go to say that other CITO
events aren't just as good, because I know for a fact they are. The
original intent of the program I applied for has been marred by ill feelings
of unknown origin. Last I checked Dirk, you and I had a pretty good
relationship so I'm surprised at how you jumped on this issue and took
offense.



Please keep in mind the original intent I had when applying for the
Adopt-A-Highway program. Location of the sign should be irrelevant.
Remember what the sign itself reads. Also, if you read the coin page
itself, any extra funds (if any) that came from its production would go
right back into highway cleanup events, or could even be diverted to another
CITO effort somewhere else.



Brian

Team A.I.





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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 2007 Arizona CITO Coin



Great pimping for the cache and for all the Phoenix people. BUT.... If this
is going to be another ARIZONA coin, maybe it should be more ARIZONA and
less Phoenix?

What?? Well lets see, the coin mentions Brian's cache, but not any other
CITO?

What about the 6 Cito's in Tucson? Thats one every 2 months. Can Phoenix
claim this? Last Phoenix CITO was a year ago

What about GCVPRN ? Casa Grande Cito?
GCYA3Y? Prescott Cito?
GCVYMD? Flagstaff Cito?


Arizona has multiple areas adopted by cachers and while it is great to see
your advertising for your spot, Please do not call it THE arizona Cito as it
is in no way supporting or mentioning the people who have actually been
doing the Cito's for the last year. Phoenix cachers have been driving over
100 miles each way to join in the CITOs for Alamo wash and I think that
deserves regonition.

Maybe we need to create an official Arizona CITO coin for us. Then we can
have multiple Official coins and represent the people who are going out to
cleanup without creating a cash flow for someone?

On 2/20/07, Jake Olson <jake.teamai@gmail.com> wrote:

Brian created the cache to go with the the fact that cachers are the ones
cleaning the section of the highway. He is the current owner of the cache,
but a few of us still here in Arizona are maintaining it by proxy. Any
issues that have come up regarding it, he's forwarded to me and I've
promptly taken care of it.

As for a LE version, Brian just pointed out to me that perhaps we need a
Limited Edition that has a more pronounced hand jesture emphasizing exactly
which "finger" is being displayed. (the image was the best I could come up
with showing a GPS in use.)

Jake - Team A.I.



On 2/20/07, Jared Ross < <mailto:jaredmross@yahoo.com>
jaredmross@yahoo.com> wrote:

I think it's a great idea and the overall design looks good. There are two
things that I would question (but not necessarily change)

1. At first glance I thought the "hiker-guy" on the sign had a very powerful
middle finger. I thought maybe he was hiking to a new cache and noticed Tim
from AZFastFeet already signing the log for the FTF. :)

2. I'm not huge on the C.I.T.O. Always cache being mentioned on the coin.
Mostly because what if, God forbid, that cache became archived? My opinion
on this one is pretty loose though, I have yet to find that cache so it may
be very safe from archival.

I'd most likely buy one. Will there be a LE coin similar to the Arizona
geocoins?

Jared of AZBliss02



----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net>
To: AZ Geocaching < az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
<mailto:az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com> >
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:41:19 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 2007 Arizona CITO Coin

This idea has been tossed around for a little while, since it so
strongly ties into caching and one of the more important tenets of
cachers and CITO.

2007 Arizona CITO Coin < http://www.geocoin-info.net/CITO/index.html
<http://www.geocoin-info.net/CITO/index.html> >


IPB Image

Right now we're only gauging interest in the coin before proceeding with
the rest of the minting process. Please visit the URL above for more
information.


***Update***
Jake smacked me around about this a little bit late this afternoon,
because I posted the concept on the Groundspeak forums first instead of
here. Oops! I was on the GC forums for something else and the thought
came to me so I ran with it. At any rate, here's what has been designed
and the purpose right now is to gauge interest in the coin before
proceeding. The initial run figures are pretty low (250), but
additional minting can occur if demand warrants.

What do you folks think?

Brian
Team A.I.


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