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Author: Brian Casteel
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
I wouldn't say that Denny hasn't had a DNF before. Some choose to not log
their DNFs (no idea what his DNF count is like either) for whatever reason
and for awhile I wouldn't either because I'd come back and eventually find
it, if it was still there in the first place. While not beating around the
proverbial bush, he's also right. Most need the GPS to get into the general
vicinity, but there are some who cache exclusively without a GPS. I've
found a dozen or so sans GPS just by studying satellite maps and topography,
part because my GPS was out for repairs or I just wanted to see if I could
do it. I think there's one cache EvilFish still thinks I didn't find
without a GPS, but I did. :-) It took 45 minutes of searching, and would
have taken much less with something to narrow it down a little more, but oh
well. The rubber seal on my old Vista was coming off and it was in Olathe,
KS at the Garmin Spa & Reconditioning Center.



I think the point he is trying to make is that regardless of skill level,
once in the general vicinity (which for me is 75-100' or so on average), you
use where the GPS is pointing you as a guide and then focus on the
environment and not a 3" LCD in order to find the cache.



Brian

Team A.I.





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From:
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EMa
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s



Well I guess we all cant be perfect. Its a shame that some people never
experience a DNF. What a feeling to know that someone hid such a good cache
that you need to come back a 2nd and 3rd time just to find it.

On 11/14/06, Ford, Denny <> wrote:

Ok I will finally pipe in,
If you are a good Geocacher, if you get within 25 feet of the cache you
can find it, does not matter the tools, it is the skill of the cacher.
For the Amateurs who actually need the GPS to find the cache I feel
sorry for you.

Denny Ford, Tres Hombres



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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:33 PM
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Cc: Guy Aldrich
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s

Still nice to have the Discriptions and Past Logs so I would give up on
the PDA.

Team Sand Dollar

---- Guy Aldrich <> wrote:
> I have to say the Garmin 60CSX is the most accurate unit I've seen
> under all conditions and I have a Magellan meridian and a explorist
> 210. With that new Cirf chip it seems to get you to ground zero
> quicker . The explorist 210 has the most bang for the buck,You really
> don't need a PDA because it displays type of container,full
> name,terrain,difficulty,date last found and the full hint.
>
> On 11/13/06, Brian Casteel < > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't recall having problems like that in most cases. In fact,
often
> > times while sitting on my butt writing my cache log, I'll look over
to the
> > GPS and watch it flirt with 0' on a regular basis. If it happens to
get no
> > closer than 5' on a cache, I'd consider that quite excellent
overall.
> > Magellan has advantages over Garmin and likewise Garmin over
Magellan. The
> > most obvious between the 2 is the abundance of mapping software
options
> > Garmin has available to the very limited Magellan options. Of
course, with
> > the newer gen Garmin units, satellite acquisition is much better
with the
> > new SeRF chip.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Team A.I.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto: <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
] On
> > Behalf Of Cordell Harris
> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:06 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > OK Scott. Did I fail to mention that we have had the opportunity to
compare
> > the performance of (7) seven Magellan and Garmins against each other
while
> > doing something like 500 plus caches all over the US. In my
original
> > missive a forgot about the emap unit. The units we used are the
Garmin
> > Emap, 76CS, Etrex Legend, Etrex Legend Vista Cx. The 3 Magellans
were all
> > Sportrack Pros. We seem to keep dropping them! Maybe I should also
note
> > that none of the units failed operationally. Of all the Garmins the
Etrex
> > Legend is the best, e.g. sensititivy and accuracy. All the others
have/had
> > serious errors of 7 to 10 ft on the high resolution scale. These
errors are
> > consistent with caches that were placed by careful knowledgeable
cachers.
> > We have also had opportunity to compare waypoints established
scientifically
> > by standards. The 3 Magellan Sportrack Pros were all perfect
replicas and
> > were dead on. I am not hostile toward Garmin, but cannot ignore
results.
> > Both mapsource and mapsend topos (I have both) will allow exchange
of
> > waypoints but not maps. What I would like to be able to do is use
Delorme
> > topo maps (superior) in either or both brands of receivers with
Garmin
> > waypoint symbols. My backhand at Garmin is simply because they are
the
> > industry leaders in terms of sales and promotions and for now get to
set the
> > trend. Magellan Sportrack Pros are a great deal and very adequate
for
> > geocaching. I repeat my offer to trade the etrex legend vista Cx
for a
> > eXplorist 500. There is nothing wrong with the vista Cx except the
offset
> > mentioned above.
> >
> >
> > On 11/13/06, Roping The Wind <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >From: "Cordell Harris" < <mailto:cordh5@gmail.com> >
> >
> > >Magellan has better, more user friendly receivers that are more
sensitive
> > >and accurate. If >unconvinced, try caching with the owner of a
Magellan
> > >Sportrack Pro. Presently, we own two >Garmins a etrex legend and
an etrex
> > >legend vista cx.
> >
> > The etrex line uses a patch antenna, which IMHO, is crap. Upgrade
to the
> > new
> > 60CSX and you will probably never see anything more accurate. I do
not
> > beleive that you can compare two GPS units for accuracy on a single
> > geocache
> > or any geocache for that matter. The cache owner's coordinates
could be off
> > for one. Also, both your GPS units will give slightly different
readings on
> > where the cache is supposed to be. To find true accuracy, take a
waypoint
> > and mark it with your GPS. Of course, with any GPS, you have to
leave it
> > there for a few minutes for a most accurate reading (too many
inexperienced
> > cachers hide a cache, hit mark on their GPS and leave and dont
allow the
> > GPS
> > to average location). Now, walk away a few hundred feet or more and
then
> > come back to ground zero and see where your GPS takes you. Do this
with two
> > units that you want to compare and see which one is most accurate.
> >
> > Of course, as Loran said, all GPS's these days are decently
accurate. They
> > will all take you to a waypoint and get you within 30 feet or less.
Do the
> > example above once and you will find that both GPS's did their job
well
> > enough. If you want to find truly which unit is better, with there
still
> > being slight errors in GPS's, you will still need to do the example
above
> > several times to average your results out to truly see which unit
is
> > better.
> > Seems nit picky. Well it is... as I just said, all GPS's are
accurate
> > enough. Still, if you want a GPS for just geocaching or marking
waypoints,
> > then a patch antenna Etrex or a Magellan GPS Blazer 12 (now that is
> > ancient!
> > and I have one too) is all you need. If you want to mark a little
hole in
> > the ground that an ant just went in to and then come back a week
later to
> > find it... then you need to spend the bigger dollars for a unit
with a 12
> > channel SiRFstar III high-sensitivity (WAAS-enabled) chip and
built-in quad
> > helix antenna, with external antenna connection (like the Garmin
60csX).
> > Either units will get you to a geocache or any point for that
matter. But
> > the latter technology will, on average, get you to a specific point
more
> > consistantly.
> >
> > >Garmins are overpriced/overrated and as industry leaders don't
like the
> > >strangle hold they maintain >on proprietary mapping software. We
badly
> > >need mapping software that will function universally in
>handhelds.
> >
> > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt Magellan also use proprietary
mapping
> > software? (Mapsend). I could be wrong on this, but I beleive both
Magellan
> > and Garmin have their own specific mapping software that must be
used for
> > mapping. I think both brands will accept some other mapping
software, but
> > only for uploading and transfering of waypoints, tracks, etc and
not maps.
> > If you want maps in your unit, you have to use their own mapping
software
> > (Mapsend or Mapsource).
> >
> > Scott
> > Team Ropingthewind
> >
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