Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods

----- Original Message -----
From: RAND HARDIN
To: AZ-Geocaching
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


Okay, I too am now upset! I just sent notes to Ken about my displeasure about not being able to read new posts to his caches that I had found prior to him changing them over to Members Only caches. I also expressed my feelings about how the change has affected the stats (it took two of my finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). I'm like Scott - I will not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy the numbers game!

Ken explained to me his feelings about why dedicated geocachers should become Premium Members and suggested that I too become a member. I responded with my feelings and why I cannot afford to become a member at this time.

Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. I did suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe he should boycott enjoying any non-members caches.

Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - but in turn goes out and finds regular caches!? (Hypocrisy?)

Rand (RandMan)

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Scott Nicol
    Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:49 AM
    To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
    Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods

    Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates me. I 
    am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the stats and the 
    numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive purposes). I am 
    a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of state.

    This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are 
    caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens is 
    that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt crawl 
    the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, the AZ 
    stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out of 
    state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state finds and 
    probably always will!).

    I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, it 
    should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to make 
    their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches that 
    they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know 
    Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days ago and 
    that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand his views on 
    the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches 
    open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones 
    into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I no 
    longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you will) of 
    my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com; that 
    is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider 
    changing his old caches back to non-MO.

    I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I 
    also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the 
    comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the same 
    views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.

    I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not 
    a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his 
    new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to members of 
    geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use if he 
    chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older caches open 
    to all.

    Scott
    Team Ropingthewind