[Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods

jr davis listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:16:38 -0700


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C2FF84.F2424330
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

MessageHow about a cache for non-members only? =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bill Tomlinson=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:43 PM
  Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


  Rand,  You left the fish speechless!  ;-)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of =
Regan Smith
    Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:35 PM
    To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
    Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods



      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: RAND HARDIN=20
      To: AZ-Geocaching=20
      Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:58 PM
      Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


      Okay, I too am now upset!  I just sent notes to Ken about my =
displeasure about not being able to read new posts to his caches that I =
had found prior to him changing them over to Members Only caches.  I =
also expressed my feelings about how the change has affected the stats =
(it took two of my finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds).  =
I'm like Scott - I will not seek "out-of-state" caches!  I too enjoy the =
numbers game!

      Ken explained to me his feelings about why dedicated geocachers =
should become Premium Members and suggested that I too become a member.  =
 I responded with my feelings and why I cannot afford to become a member =
at this time.

      Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs.  I did =
suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe he =
should boycott enjoying any non-members caches. =20

      Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - =
but in turn goes out and finds regular caches!?  (Hypocrisy?)

      Rand (RandMan) =20


           =20

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Scott Nicol
        Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:49 AM
        To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
        Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods



        Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly =
irritates me. I=20
        am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the =
stats and the=20
        numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive =
purposes). I am=20
        a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as =
out of state.

        This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' =
caches. These are=20
        caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What =
happens is=20
        that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it =
doesnt crawl=20
        the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any =
rate, the AZ=20
        stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the =
out of=20
        state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of =
state finds and=20
        probably always will!).

        I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' =
cache, it=20
        should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone =
chooses to make=20
        their caches members only, they should do so with only the new =
caches that=20
        they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I =
know=20
        Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few =
days ago and=20
        that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand =
his views on=20
        the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your =
old caches=20
        open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your =
new ones=20
        into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into =
MO... I no=20
        longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if =
you will) of=20
        my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of =
geocaching.com; that=20
        is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will =
reconsider=20
        changing his old caches back to non-MO.

        I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some =
good ones. I=20
        also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart =
Mountain and the=20
        comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of =
the same=20
        views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.

        I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches =
as I am not=20
        a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his =
making his=20
        new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to =
members of=20
        geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to =
use if he=20
        chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older =
caches open=20
        to all.

        Scott
        Team Ropingthewind








------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C2FF84.F2424330
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FONT: 10pt =
verdana; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"=20
bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How about a cache for non-members only?&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dbilltomlinson@qwest.net =
href=3D"mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net">Bill=20
  Tomlinson</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, 2003 =
4:43=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
For the=20
  Caching gods</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D487464223-10042003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Rand,&nbsp; =
You left=20
  the fish speechless!&nbsp; ;-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocachi=
ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
    [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
    </B>Regan Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:35=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A><B=
R><B>Subject:</B>=20
    Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3DRHrdn8@msn.com href=3D"mailto:RHrdn8@msn.com">RAND =
HARDIN</A>=20
</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
      href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">AZ-Geocaching</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, =
2003 1:58=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] For the=20
      Caching gods</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG>Okay, I too am now upset!</STRONG>&nbsp; I&nbsp;just=20
      sent&nbsp;notes to Ken about my displeasure about not being able =
to read=20
      new posts to his caches that I had found prior to him changing =
them over=20
      to&nbsp;Members Only&nbsp;caches.&nbsp;&nbsp;I also expressed my =
feelings=20
      about how the&nbsp;change&nbsp;has affected the stats (it took two =
of my=20
      finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds).&nbsp; I'm like =
Scott=20
      -&nbsp;I will not seek "out-of-state" caches!&nbsp; I =
too&nbsp;enjoy the=20
      numbers game!</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Ken explained to me his feelings =
about&nbsp;why&nbsp;<U>dedicated</U>=20
      geocachers should&nbsp;become Premium Members and suggested that=20
      I&nbsp;too become a&nbsp;member. &nbsp; I responded&nbsp;with my =
feelings=20
      and why I cannot afford to&nbsp;become a member at this =
time.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Ken&nbsp;sounds very strong in his reasoning and =
beliefs.&nbsp; I did=20
      suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that =
maybe he=20
      should boycott enjoying any non-members caches.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members =
only" - but=20
      in turn&nbsp;goes out and finds regular caches!?&nbsp; =
(Hypocrisy?)</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Rand (RandMan)&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message =
-----</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
        Scott Nicol</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, =
2003 9:49=20
        AM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] For=20
        the Caching gods</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><BR>Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but =
this=20
        one definetly irritates me. I <BR>am one of those 'numbers' =
cachers. I=20
        do enjoy looking at the stats and the <BR>numbers (for my own =
pleasure=20
        of course, not for competitive purposes). I am <BR>a bit annoyed =
that 9=20
        of my in state cache finds now show up as out of =
state.<BR><BR>This is=20
        the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These =
are=20
        <BR>caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. =
What=20
        happens is <BR>that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, =
therefore=20
        it doesnt crawl <BR>the MO cache pages. (that is what I have =
heard=20
        anyways). At any rate, the AZ <BR>stats doesnt recognize Arizona =
MO=20
        caches and they show up in the out of <BR>state file. (anyone =
who knows=20
        me knows that I have 0 out of state finds and <BR>probably =
always=20
        will!).<BR><BR>I personally beleive that if a cache is started =
out as a=20
        'free' cache, it <BR>should remain that way for the life of the =
cache.=20
        If someone chooses to make <BR>their caches members only, they =
should do=20
        so with only the new caches that <BR>they place and not turn all =
their=20
        old caches into MO caches. I know <BR>Highpointer recently =
commented on=20
        this on the listserve a few days ago and <BR>that he was going =
to change=20
        his caches over to MO. I understand his views on <BR>the =
subject.=20
        However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches =
<BR>open=20
        to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new =
ones=20
        <BR>into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing =
into=20
        MO... I no <BR>longer can look back on those caches and read my =
logs=20
        (diary if you will) of <BR>my experiences at those caches (as I =
am not a=20
        member of geocaching.com; that <BR>is a whole nuther' thread, I =
am=20
        sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider <BR>changing his old =
caches=20
        back to non-MO.<BR><BR>I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's =
caches,=20
        he hides some good ones. I <BR>also very much appreciate his =
seeking my=20
        cache on Stewart Mountain and the <BR>comments he left there. I =
think me=20
        and Highpointer share many of the same <BR>views on geocaching =
and enjoy=20
        doing the same types of caches.<BR><BR>I guess I will not be =
able to do=20
        anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not <BR>a member of=20
        geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his =
<BR>new=20
        caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to =
members of=20
        <BR>geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to =
him to use=20
        if he <BR>chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep =
his older=20
        caches open <BR>to all.<BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team=20
        =
Ropingthewind<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC=
KQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C2FF84.F2424330--