[Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
Regan Smith
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:35:10 -0700
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From: RAND HARDIN=20
To: AZ-Geocaching=20
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
Okay, I too am now upset! I just sent notes to Ken about my =
displeasure about not being able to read new posts to his caches that I =
had found prior to him changing them over to Members Only caches. I =
also expressed my feelings about how the change has affected the stats =
(it took two of my finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). =
I'm like Scott - I will not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy the =
numbers game!
Ken explained to me his feelings about why dedicated geocachers should =
become Premium Members and suggested that I too become a member. I =
responded with my feelings and why I cannot afford to become a member at =
this time.
Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. I did suggest to =
him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe he should =
boycott enjoying any non-members caches. =20
Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - but =
in turn goes out and finds regular caches!? (Hypocrisy?)
Rand (RandMan) =20
=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Nicol
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:49 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates =
me. I=20
am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the stats =
and the=20
numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive =
purposes). I am=20
a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out =
of state.
This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. =
These are=20
caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What =
happens is=20
that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt =
crawl=20
the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any =
rate, the AZ=20
stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out =
of=20
state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state =
finds and=20
probably always will!).
I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' =
cache, it=20
should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses =
to make=20
their caches members only, they should do so with only the new =
caches that=20
they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know=20
Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days =
ago and=20
that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand his =
views on=20
the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old =
caches=20
open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new =
ones=20
into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into =
MO... I no=20
longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you =
will) of=20
my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of =
geocaching.com; that=20
is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will =
reconsider=20
changing his old caches back to non-MO.
I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good =
ones. I=20
also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain =
and the=20
comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the =
same=20
views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.
I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as =
I am not=20
a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his =
making his=20
new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to =
members of=20
geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use =
if he=20
chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older =
caches open=20
to all.
Scott
Team Ropingthewind
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<A title=3DRHrdn8@msn.com href=3D"mailto:RHrdn8@msn.com">RAND =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, 2003 =
1:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
For the=20
Caching gods</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Okay, I too am now upset!</STRONG> I just=20
sent notes to Ken about my displeasure about not being able to =
read new=20
posts to his caches that I had found prior to him changing them over=20
to Members Only caches. I also expressed my =
feelings=20
about how the change has affected the stats (it took two of =
my finds=20
and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). I'm like Scott =
- I=20
will not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy the =
numbers=20
game!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken explained to me his feelings =
about why <U>dedicated</U>=20
geocachers should become Premium Members and suggested that =
I too=20
become a member. I responded with my feelings and why =
I=20
cannot afford to become a member at this time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. I =
did=20
suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe =
he=20
should boycott enjoying any non-members caches. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - =
but in=20
turn goes out and finds regular caches!? (Hypocrisy?)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rand (RandMan) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
Scott Nicol</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, =
2003 9:49=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
For the=20
Caching gods</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but =
this one=20
definetly irritates me. I <BR>am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I =
do enjoy=20
looking at the stats and the <BR>numbers (for my own pleasure of =
course, not=20
for competitive purposes). I am <BR>a bit annoyed that 9 of my in =
state=20
cache finds now show up as out of state.<BR><BR>This is the result =
of 8 AZ=20
caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are <BR>caches that =
previously=20
(when I found them), where not MO. What happens is <BR>that the=20
AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt crawl =
<BR>the MO=20
cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, the =
AZ=20
<BR>stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the =
out of=20
<BR>state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of =
state finds=20
and <BR>probably always will!).<BR><BR>I personally beleive that if =
a cache=20
is started out as a 'free' cache, it <BR>should remain that way for =
the life=20
of the cache. If someone chooses to make <BR>their caches members =
only, they=20
should do so with only the new caches that <BR>they place and not =
turn all=20
their old caches into MO caches. I know <BR>Highpointer recently =
commented=20
on this on the listserve a few days ago and <BR>that he was going to =
change=20
his caches over to MO. I understand his views on <BR>the subject. =
However,=20
Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches <BR>open to all =
and if=20
you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones <BR>into MO. =
The=20
other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I no =
<BR>longer can=20
look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you will) of =
<BR>my=20
experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com; =
that=20
<BR>is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will=20
reconsider <BR>changing his old caches back to non-MO.<BR><BR>I have =
always=20
enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I =
<BR>also very=20
much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the=20
<BR>comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of =
the=20
same <BR>views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of=20
caches.<BR><BR>I guess I will not be able to do anymore of =
Highpointer's=20
caches as I am not <BR>a member of geocaching.com. However, I have =
no=20
problem with his making his <BR>new caches MO, Members Only caches =
are=20
available as an option to members of <BR>geocaching.com and that is =
an=20
option that is available to him to use if he <BR>chooses to. I just =
wish he=20
would reconsider and keep his older caches open <BR>to=20
all.<BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team=20
=
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