[Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

[Esteban]

That's fine.  I just didn't want to start a witch hunt out of my ignorance.

Esteban

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net> wrote:

>  I just wanted to map them and see if I could help out a bit is all.
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> Brian
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> Team A.I.
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> *From:* az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:
> az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of *Esteban
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:57 AM
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> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
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> I still have a lot to learn before I can say with certainty that any cache
> is questionable.
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>  On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net>
> wrote:
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> I would appreciate it if you would provide a list of at least some of the
> GCs for the caches you find questionable in terms of their location.  You
> can e-mail me privately as well if you prefer.
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>
> Brian
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> Team A.I.
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> *From:* az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:
> az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of *Esteban
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:36 AM
> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
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> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
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> I did some reading online.  I need to check this out when i get home
> because it seems that, legally speaking, geocaching is quite limited.  So
> far it seems that several the caches that I had in mind to visit may have
> been inappropriately placed...
>
> Anyway, thanks for this tip.
>
> Esteban
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> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Andrew Ayre <andy at britishideas.com>
> wrote:
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> Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the
> boundaries.
>
> Andy
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>
> Esteban wrote:
> > Do you have a link I can read up more on this?  I will do a seach
> > myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of
> > MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the
> "wilderness."
> >
> > Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience.  I am very,
> > very new to this all.
> >
> > - Esteban (bakura82)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net
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> > <mailto:bcasteel at uccinc.net>> wrote:
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> >     Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed.  Per
> >     the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus,
> >     are not permitted.
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> >
> >
> >     Brian
> >
> >     Team A.I.
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> >     *From:* az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
> >     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>
> >     [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
> >     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>] *On Behalf
> >     Of *Esteban
> >     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM
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> >     *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
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> >     *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
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> >
> >     Shadowace,
> >
> >     I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you
> >     posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says
> >     we should be going to.  So, for example, if someone hides a parking
> >     lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM
> >     first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot
> >     resides for permission?  Wow.
> >
> >     Also, you said "No wilderness area".  What exactly do you mean by
> this?
> >
> >     - Esteban (bakura82)
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> >     Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700
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> >     From: shadowace.az <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com
> >
> >     To: listserv at azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
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> >     Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
> >
> >     Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to
> >     make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land
> >     managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission.
> >
> >      Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this
> >     state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow
> >     simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS
> >     lands' 'No Wilderness areas'
> >
> >      Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this
> >     together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local
> >     group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then
> >     speaking for all cachers in the state.
> >
> >      Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and
> >     promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after
> >     obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?
> >
> >      http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm
> >
> >     Arizona's
> >
> >
> >             *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*
> >
> >         * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office
> >           before placing a cache_
> >         * Do not place caches at archaeological sites
> >         * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for
> >           prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
> >           business
> >         * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache
> location
> >
> >      Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone
> >     else is following the rules?
> >
> >      Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing
> >     a cache?
> >
> >      I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I
> >     also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to
> >     everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer
> >     wish to stick my neck out with land managers.
> >
> >     ~ShadowAce / Dirk
> >
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