[Az-Geocaching] Only an altoids tin!!

Sat Feb 10 11:24:00 MST 2007

Then the age old argument of there are so many other caches out there you do
not have to find this one is null and void along with people wanting to
start their own websites, or even I spent $45 on that cache container and it
was stolen. I will never get more finds if location mattered.  Why I like
driving 240 miles in a day to visit a crowded locale. 

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From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
AZcachemeister
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:18 AM
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only an altoids tin!!

Well, I don't like to insult people by saying their cache is crap, but
aren't they insulting us by bringing us to those areas?
There is nothing of interest at the back of the 99¢ store, nor anything
clever about a shoe-polish can stuffed in a crack in the building.
If we don't start taking some responsibility for our activities, someone
else will.
If enough people start 'telling it like it is' then the cachers hiding those
type of caches just might get the hint.

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Regan Smith wrote: 

Tftc

Tnlnsl

Honesty will get your log deleted

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From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
ShadowAce
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:15 PM
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only an altoids tin!!

Scott, 

  With all due respect. Oct 25, 2005 4:02 PM you sent email about how Micros
were evil and now that you had finally reached the top find counter in the
state you were not going to be going for micros any longer. How only Urban
caches had any reason to exist and people should help stop the spread of
micro spew. 

 Yet a very large percent of your cache finds are micros even after the
posts about how Micros should go away. 1114 terrain 1 and 735 difficulty 1
according to the stats you placed on your profile. While I am sick of lamp
poles and guard rails myself, I merely pointed that story out because of how
many people caching in Arizona tell me at almost every single event
'Permission is not required' or 'Its public property'. 

 If cachers want to place a micro every 600 feet they will. If they throw
caches out with no intention of ever maintaining them, they will. Why?
Because every other cacher is writing 'Great cache, thanks for the hide' and
not writing.... 

I was able to grab this cache quickly though I had to shield the location
with my rear side from the dumpster divers. or After sifting through the
garbage left by the homeless in the area, we found your cache. 

 Never would have known about this place, because we generally avoid
dumpsters.

 I have been trying to be very honest in my logs about areas such as these
and instead of getting 'Hay thanks for warning me that place was going to be
so terrible', I receive emails saying 'Why are you such an ass? If you dont
like the cache, dont go find it!' 

 Welp the problem with this is from the writeups you have no idea if it will
be a real interesting place such as the one we found last night called Hope,
or in a pile of trash until you get to the location.

 So instead of complaining about the TYPE of cache, I was merely pointing
out that Permission should be obtained on ALL cache hides. Heck I spent 2
years getting permission for one place. 4 weeks to get permission for
another cache. 5 weeks of emails to get permission for one location and then
other people just throw more caches in the area when they came.. Yep I
caught hell from the person that granted me permission to place mine after
that.. Joy joy... 

 If people hate micros so much, why do they continue to grab them and write
'Thanks for the fun'?

On 2/9/07, Roping The Wind <arizcowboy at hotmail.com> wrote:

The geocacher who placed the altoid tin says he "wished others had told him
this was not a good place to put a cache". I can only laugh at that
statement. The gc.com site clearly states that you must get permission to 
place a cache on private property!!! Did he not read that little tidbit of
information? Typical of alot of urban cache hides. Is he now trying to put
it onto the geocaching community as a whole? Making the whole game/community

look bad?

I do agree though that law enforcement over reacted... kinda like the little
Boston cartoon 'bomb' scare thing.

The other thing that comes to my mind is that he is relatively new to the 
game and this is most of what he has seen so far... a bunch of altoid tins
behind stores and on electrical boxes and the like. So, he might have
thought it was totally ok to hide a cache like this... even though, as I 
mentioned before, he should have gotten permission to place it in the first
place.

I do like this quote though: "I've discovered that I really don't like urban
caching. I'd rather do it in the woods. That's where it's really fun," he 
said.

As of the past month and a half now, I have not found an urban cache hide. I
dont mind going a week without finding a cache anymore. But I have decided
that I only want to do rural area caches. Caches that require a hike to get 
to or maybe a nice 4x4 drive or maybe just a drive by cache placed in a
beautiful location way outside the city limit signs. Or maybe caches placed
in small towns is ok too. Basically, caches placed with the location in 
mind. I have been using the DGP geocaching site lately to pick and choose
caches to find.

The past month or so, I have found a much greater enjoyement for the game
again. It feels like the old days of caching 4 or 5 years ago when I first 
began. I can't say I will never find an urban cache again. But I am
carefully picking and choosing which ones I want to find.

Scott
Team Ropingthewind

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