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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Then the age old argument of there are so
many other caches out there you do not have to find this one is null and void
along with people wanting to start their own websites, or even I spent $45 on
that cache container and it was stolen. I will never get more finds if location
mattered. Why I like driving 240 miles in a day to visit a crowded locale. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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color:windowtext'> az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>AZcachemeister<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February 10, 2007
9:18 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">listserv@azgeocaching.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only
an altoids tin!!</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well, I don't like to insult people by saying their
cache is crap, but aren't they insulting us by bringing us to those areas?<br>
There is nothing of interest at the back of the 99¢ store, nor anything clever
about a shoe-polish can stuffed in a crack in the building.<br>
If we don't start taking some responsibility for our activities, someone else
will.<br>
If enough people start 'telling it like it is' then the cachers hiding those
type of caches just might get the hint.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Regan Smith wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>
[<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>ShadowAce<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 09, 2007
6:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u2:st="on"><a
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only
an altoids tin!!</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Scott, <br>
<br>
With all due respect. Oct 25, 2005 4:02 PM you sent email about how
Micros were evil and now that you had finally reached the top find counter in
the state you were not going to be going for micros any longer. How only Urban
caches had any reason to exist and people should help stop the spread of micro
spew. <br>
<br>
Yet a very large percent of your cache finds are micros even after the
posts about how Micros should go away. <span id="ProfilePanel1_lblProfileText">1114
terrain 1 and </span><span id="ProfilePanel1_lblProfileText">735 difficulty 1
according to the stats you placed on your profile. </span>While I am sick of
lamp poles and guard rails myself, I merely pointed that story out because of
how many people caching in <st1:State u2:st="on"><st1:place u2:st="on"><st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State></st1:place></st1:State>
tell me at almost every single event 'Permission is not required' or 'Its
public property'. <br>
<br>
If cachers want to place a micro every 600 feet they will. If they throw
caches out with no intention of ever maintaining them, they will. Why? Because
every other cacher is writing 'Great cache, thanks for the hide' and not
writing.... <br>
<br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>I was able to grab this cache quickly though
I had to shield the location with my rear side from the dumpster divers.</span></i>
or <i><span style='font-style:italic'>After sifting through the garbage left by
the homeless in the area, we found your cache. </span></i><br>
<br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Never would have known about this
place, because we generally avoid dumpsters.<br>
<br>
</span></i> I have been trying to be very honest in my logs about areas
such as these and instead of getting 'Hay thanks for warning me that place was
going to be so terrible', I receive emails saying 'Why are you such an ass? If
you dont like the cache, dont go find it!' <br>
<br>
Welp the problem with this is from the writeups you have no idea if it
will be a real interesting place such as the one we found last night called
Hope, or in a pile of trash until you get to the location.<br>
<br>
So instead of complaining about the TYPE of cache, I was merely pointing
out that Permission should be obtained on ALL cache hides. Heck I spent 2 years
getting permission for one place. 4 weeks to get permission for another cache.
5 weeks of emails to get permission for one location and then other people just
throw more caches in the area when they came.. Yep I caught hell from the
person that granted me permission to place mine after that.. Joy joy... <br>
<br>
If people hate micros so much, why do they continue to grab them and
write 'Thanks for the fun'?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 2/9/07, <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Roping The Wind</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:arizcowboy@hotmail.com">arizcowboy@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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The geocacher who placed the altoid tin says he "wished others had told
him<br>
this was not a good place to put a cache". I can only laugh at that<br>
statement. The <a href="http://gc.com">gc.com</a> site clearly states that you
must get permission to <br>
place a cache on private property!!! Did he not read that little tidbit of<br>
information? Typical of alot of urban cache hides. Is he now trying to put<br>
it onto the geocaching community as a whole? Making the whole game/community <br>
look bad?<br>
<br>
I do agree though that law enforcement over reacted... kinda like the little<br>
<st1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Boston</st1:place></st1:City></st1:place></st1:City> cartoon 'bomb'
scare thing.<br>
<br>
The other thing that comes to my mind is that he is relatively new to the <br>
game and this is most of what he has seen so far... a bunch of altoid tins<br>
behind stores and on electrical boxes and the like. So, he might have<br>
thought it was totally ok to hide a cache like this... even though, as I <br>
mentioned before, he should have gotten permission to place it in the first<br>
place.<br>
<br>
I do like this quote though: "I've discovered that I really don't like
urban<br>
caching. I'd rather do it in the woods. That's where it's really fun," he <br>
said.<br>
<br>
As of the past month and a half now, I have not found an urban cache hide. I<br>
dont mind going a week without finding a cache anymore. But I have decided<br>
that I only want to do rural area caches. Caches that require a hike to get <br>
to or maybe a nice 4x4 drive or maybe just a drive by cache placed in a<br>
beautiful location way outside the city limit signs. Or maybe caches placed<br>
in small towns is ok too. Basically, caches placed with the location in <br>
mind. I have been using the DGP geocaching site lately to pick and choose<br>
caches to find.<br>
<br>
The past month or so, I have found a much greater enjoyement for the game<br>
again. It feels like the old days of caching 4 or 5 years ago when I first <br>
began. I can't say I will never find an urban cache again. But I am<br>
carefully picking and choosing which ones I want to find.<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
Team Ropingthewind<br>
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