[Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
CAMERON BRONIARCZYK
bbudcam at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 14 11:17:21 MST 2006
I ran it throught the evilfish translato,r and figured out what you were
trying to say. :)
>From: "Brian Casteel" <bcasteel at uccinc.net>
>Reply-To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
>To: <listserv at azgeocaching.com>
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:53:15 -0700
>
>I really hate it when I edit a sentence and miss something.
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>From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian
>Casteel
>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:50 AM
>To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
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>
>
>Sometimes.other times I just choose to let my fingers line out my thoughts
>and don't run it those thoughts through any filter of political
>correctness.
>
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>
>Brian
>
>Team A.I.
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>From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EMa
>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:43 AM
>To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
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>You have such good tact Brian... That is a good thing!!
>
>
>
>I would think that there is a good number of geocachers who have or can
>find
>geocaches without a GPS. Geesh, I had my log deleted because I mentioned
>that I found it w/o my GPS, however that does not mean that I would nor do
>feel sorry for anyone or would I put them down for requiring a GPS.
>
>Now of course if that is not the way he meant it then I guess I will look
>stupid for a while... ;)
>
>Skill or not, its a game. Does not matter how you find it just have fun
>and
>find it........Thats the point, I think!
>
>
>
>On 11/14/06, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net> wrote:
>
>I wouldn't say that Denny hasn't had a DNF before. Some choose to not log
>their DNFs (no idea what his DNF count is like either) for whatever reason
>and for awhile I wouldn't either because I'd come back and eventually find
>it, if it was still there in the first place. While not beating around the
>proverbial bush, he's also right. Most need the GPS to get into the
>general
>vicinity, but there are some who cache exclusively without a GPS. I've
>found a dozen or so sans GPS just by studying satellite maps and
>topography,
>part because my GPS was out for repairs or I just wanted to see if I could
>do it. I think there's one cache EvilFish still thinks I didn't find
>without a GPS, but I did. :-) It took 45 minutes of searching, and would
>have taken much less with something to narrow it down a little more, but oh
>well. The rubber seal on my old Vista was coming off and it was in Olathe,
>KS at the Garmin Spa & Reconditioning Center.
>
>
>
>I think the point he is trying to make is that regardless of skill level,
>once in the general vicinity (which for me is 75-100' or so on average),
>you
>use where the GPS is pointing you as a guide and then focus on the
>environment and not a 3" LCD in order to find the cache.
>
>
>
>Brian
>
>Team A.I.
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>From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
><mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com> ] On Behalf Of EMa
>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 AM
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>To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
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>Well I guess we all cant be perfect. Its a shame that some people never
>experience a DNF. What a feeling to know that someone hid such a good
>cache
>that you need to come back a 2nd and 3rd time just to find it.
>
>On 11/14/06, Ford, Denny < <mailto:denny.ford6 at honeywell.com>
>denny.ford6 at honeywell.com> wrote:
>
>Ok I will finally pipe in,
>If you are a good Geocacher, if you get within 25 feet of the cache you
>can find it, does not matter the tools, it is the skill of the cacher.
>For the Amateurs who actually need the GPS to find the cache I feel
>sorry for you.
>
>Denny Ford, Tres Hombres
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
><mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com> ] On Behalf Of
>loranwilcox at chartermi.net
>Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:33 PM
>To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
>Cc: Guy Aldrich
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
>
>Still nice to have the Discriptions and Past Logs so I would give up on
>the PDA.
>
>Team Sand Dollar
>
>---- Guy Aldrich <graldrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have to say the Garmin 60CSX is the most accurate unit I've seen
> > under all conditions and I have a Magellan meridian and a explorist
> > 210. With that new Cirf chip it seems to get you to ground zero
> > quicker . The explorist 210 has the most bang for the buck,You really
> > don't need a PDA because it displays type of container,full
> > name,terrain,difficulty,date last found and the full hint.
> >
> > On 11/13/06, Brian Casteel < bcasteel at uccinc.net
><mailto:bcasteel at uccinc.net> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't recall having problems like that in most cases. In fact,
>often
> > > times while sitting on my butt writing my cache log, I'll look over
>to the
> > > GPS and watch it flirt with 0' on a regular basis. If it happens to
>get no
> > > closer than 5' on a cache, I'd consider that quite excellent
>overall.
> > > Magellan has advantages over Garmin and likewise Garmin over
>Magellan. The
> > > most obvious between the 2 is the abundance of mapping software
>options
> > > Garmin has available to the very limited Magellan options. Of
>course, with
> > > the newer gen Garmin units, satellite acquisition is much better
>with the
> > > new SeRF chip.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Team A.I.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
><mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>
> > > [mailto: <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>
>az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Cordell Harris
> > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:06 AM
> > > To: listserv at azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK Scott. Did I fail to mention that we have had the opportunity to
>compare
> > > the performance of (7) seven Magellan and Garmins against each other
>while
> > > doing something like 500 plus caches all over the US. In my
>original
> > > missive a forgot about the emap unit. The units we used are the
>Garmin
> > > Emap, 76CS, Etrex Legend, Etrex Legend Vista Cx. The 3 Magellans
>were all
> > > Sportrack Pros. We seem to keep dropping them! Maybe I should also
>note
> > > that none of the units failed operationally. Of all the Garmins the
>Etrex
> > > Legend is the best, e.g. sensititivy and accuracy. All the others
>have/had
> > > serious errors of 7 to 10 ft on the high resolution scale. These
>errors are
> > > consistent with caches that were placed by careful knowledgeable
>cachers.
> > > We have also had opportunity to compare waypoints established
>scientifically
> > > by standards. The 3 Magellan Sportrack Pros were all perfect
>replicas and
> > > were dead on. I am not hostile toward Garmin, but cannot ignore
>results.
> > > Both mapsource and mapsend topos (I have both) will allow exchange
>of
> > > waypoints but not maps. What I would like to be able to do is use
>Delorme
> > > topo maps (superior) in either or both brands of receivers with
>Garmin
> > > waypoint symbols. My backhand at Garmin is simply because they are
>the
> > > industry leaders in terms of sales and promotions and for now get to
>set the
> > > trend. Magellan Sportrack Pros are a great deal and very adequate
>for
> > > geocaching. I repeat my offer to trade the etrex legend vista Cx
>for a
> > > eXplorist 500. There is nothing wrong with the vista Cx except the
>offset
> > > mentioned above.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/13/06, Roping The Wind <arizcowboy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Cordell Harris" < cordh5 at gmail.com <mailto:cordh5 at gmail.com>
> >
> > >
> > > >Magellan has better, more user friendly receivers that are more
>sensitive
> > > >and accurate. If >unconvinced, try caching with the owner of a
>Magellan
> > > >Sportrack Pro. Presently, we own two >Garmins a etrex legend and
>an etrex
> > > >legend vista cx.
> > >
> > > The etrex line uses a patch antenna, which IMHO, is crap. Upgrade
>to the
> > > new
> > > 60CSX and you will probably never see anything more accurate. I do
>not
> > > beleive that you can compare two GPS units for accuracy on a single
> > > geocache
> > > or any geocache for that matter. The cache owner's coordinates
>could be off
> > > for one. Also, both your GPS units will give slightly different
>readings on
> > > where the cache is supposed to be. To find true accuracy, take a
>waypoint
> > > and mark it with your GPS. Of course, with any GPS, you have to
>leave it
> > > there for a few minutes for a most accurate reading (too many
>inexperienced
> > > cachers hide a cache, hit mark on their GPS and leave and dont
>allow the
> > > GPS
> > > to average location). Now, walk away a few hundred feet or more and
>then
> > > come back to ground zero and see where your GPS takes you. Do this
>with two
> > > units that you want to compare and see which one is most accurate.
> > >
> > > Of course, as Loran said, all GPS's these days are decently
>accurate. They
> > > will all take you to a waypoint and get you within 30 feet or less.
>Do the
> > > example above once and you will find that both GPS's did their job
>well
> > > enough. If you want to find truly which unit is better, with there
>still
> > > being slight errors in GPS's, you will still need to do the example
>above
> > > several times to average your results out to truly see which unit
>is
> > > better.
> > > Seems nit picky. Well it is... as I just said, all GPS's are
>accurate
> > > enough. Still, if you want a GPS for just geocaching or marking
>waypoints,
> > > then a patch antenna Etrex or a Magellan GPS Blazer 12 (now that is
> > > ancient!
> > > and I have one too) is all you need. If you want to mark a little
>hole in
> > > the ground that an ant just went in to and then come back a week
>later to
> > > find it... then you need to spend the bigger dollars for a unit
>with a 12
> > > channel SiRFstar III high-sensitivity (WAAS-enabled) chip and
>built-in quad
> > > helix antenna, with external antenna connection (like the Garmin
>60csX).
> > > Either units will get you to a geocache or any point for that
>matter. But
> > > the latter technology will, on average, get you to a specific point
>more
> > > consistantly.
> > >
> > > >Garmins are overpriced/overrated and as industry leaders don't
>like the
> > > >strangle hold they maintain >on proprietary mapping software. We
>badly
> > > >need mapping software that will function universally in
> >handhelds.
> > >
> > > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt Magellan also use proprietary
>mapping
> > > software? (Mapsend). I could be wrong on this, but I beleive both
>Magellan
> > > and Garmin have their own specific mapping software that must be
>used for
> > > mapping. I think both brands will accept some other mapping
>software, but
> > > only for uploading and transfering of waypoints, tracks, etc and
>not maps.
> > > If you want maps in your unit, you have to use their own mapping
>software
> > > (Mapsend or Mapsource).
> > >
> > > Scott
> > > Team Ropingthewind
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