[Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s

loranwilcox at chartermi.net loranwilcox at chartermi.net
Tue Nov 14 10:27:09 MST 2006


You mean when the cache is a micro in the woods, 70 feet off on the other side of the trail and the owner can't admit that thier coords are off.

Team Sand Dollar

---- Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net> wrote: 
> Yeah, I can agree with that.  However, there are times when my sidearm is
> very tempted to vent my frustration on the cache container when it is
> finally found.  :)
> 
> Brian
> Team A.I.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
> AZcachemeister at getnet.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
> 
> The higher the frustration while searching : ( , the greater the
> satisfaction once it is found. :D
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Treo
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Brian Casteel
> Date:  11/14/06 9:40
> To:  listserv at azgeocaching.com
> Subj:  Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
> 
> Your last sentence made me chuckle.  When my It.Has You cache was out in
> Bulldog Canyon, anytime I needed to stop by and do something with the cache,
> it usually took me a good 20 minutes to find my own cache, since all those
> flippin' rocks looked the same.  The FTF on that cache stayed up for 48
> hours straight watching the movie to get the clues and was absolutely
> ecstatic when he logged his find.  But yeah, it is a good feeling when
> someone makes repeated visits to your cache in order to find it, but at the
> same time I almost feel bad for the level of frustration I know I can
> inflict.  Look at my Perplexity cache if you want an idea of that.
> 
>  
> 
> Brian
> 
> Team A.I.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
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> From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EMa
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 AM
> To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
> 
>  
> 
> Well I guess we all cant be perfect.   Its a shame that some people never
> experience a DNF.  What a feeling to know that someone hid such a good cache
> that you need to come back a 2nd and 3rd time just to find it.
> 
> On 11/14/06, Ford, Denny <denny.ford6 at honeywell.com> wrote: 
> 
> Ok I will finally pipe in,
> If you are a good Geocacher, if you get within 25 feet of the cache you
> can find it, does not matter the tools, it is the skill of the cacher. 
> For the Amateurs who actually need the GPS to find the cache I feel
> sorry for you.
> 
> Denny Ford,  Tres Hombres
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
> loranwilcox at chartermi.net
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:33 PM
> To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
> Cc: Guy Aldrich
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s 
> 
> Still nice to have the Discriptions and Past Logs so I would give up on
> the PDA.
> 
> Team Sand Dollar
> 
> ---- Guy Aldrich <graldrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have to say the Garmin 60CSX is the most accurate unit I've seen 
> > under all conditions and I have a Magellan meridian and a explorist
> > 210. With that new Cirf chip it seems to get you to ground zero
> > quicker . The explorist 210 has the most bang for the buck,You really 
> > don't need a PDA because it displays type of container,full
> > name,terrain,difficulty,date last found and the full hint.
> >
> > On 11/13/06, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't recall having problems like that in most cases.  In fact,
> often
> > > times while sitting on my butt writing my cache log, I'll look over 
> to the
> > > GPS and watch it flirt with 0' on a regular basis.  If it happens to
> get no
> > > closer than 5' on a cache, I'd consider that quite excellent
> overall.
> > > Magellan has advantages over Garmin and likewise Garmin over 
> Magellan.  The
> > > most obvious between the 2 is the abundance of mapping software
> options
> > > Garmin has available to the very limited Magellan options.  Of
> course, with
> > > the newer gen Garmin units, satellite acquisition is much better 
> with the
> > > new SeRF chip.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Team A.I.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  ________________________________ 
> > >
> > >
> > > From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
> > > [mailto: <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>
> az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Cordell Harris
> > >  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:06 AM
> > >  To: listserv at azgeocaching.com 
> > >  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK Scott.  Did I fail to mention that we have had the opportunity to
> compare
> > > the performance of (7) seven Magellan and Garmins against each other
> while
> > > doing something like 500 plus caches all over the US.  In my
> original
> > > missive a forgot about the emap unit.  The units we used are the 
> Garmin
> > > Emap, 76CS, Etrex Legend, Etrex Legend Vista Cx. The 3 Magellans
> were all
> > > Sportrack Pros.  We seem to keep dropping them!  Maybe I should also
> note
> > > that none of the units failed operationally. Of all the Garmins the 
> Etrex
> > > Legend is the best, e.g. sensititivy and accuracy.  All the others
> have/had
> > > serious errors of 7 to 10 ft on the high resolution scale.  These
> errors are
> > > consistent with caches that were placed by careful knowledgeable 
> cachers.
> > > We have also had opportunity to compare waypoints established
> scientifically
> > > by standards.  The  3 Magellan Sportrack Pros were all perfect
> replicas and
> > > were dead on.  I am not hostile toward Garmin, but cannot ignore 
> results.
> > > Both mapsource and mapsend topos (I have both) will allow exchange
> of
> > > waypoints but not maps.  What I would like to be able to do is use
> Delorme
> > > topo maps (superior) in either or both brands of receivers with 
> Garmin
> > > waypoint symbols.  My backhand at Garmin is simply because they are
> the
> > > industry leaders in terms of sales and promotions and for now get to
> set the
> > > trend.  Magellan Sportrack Pros are a great deal and very adequate 
> for
> > > geocaching.  I repeat my offer to trade the etrex legend vista Cx
> for a
> > > eXplorist 500.  There is nothing wrong with the vista Cx except the
> offset
> > > mentioned above.
> > > 
> > >
> > > On 11/13/06, Roping The Wind <arizcowboy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  >From: "Cordell Harris" < cordh5 at gmail.com <mailto:cordh5 at gmail.com> >
> > >
> > >  >Magellan has better, more user friendly receivers that are more
> sensitive
> > >  >and accurate.  If >unconvinced, try caching with the owner of a
> Magellan
> > >  >Sportrack Pro. Presently, we own two >Garmins a etrex legend and
> an etrex
> > >  >legend vista cx.
> > >
> > >  The etrex line uses a patch antenna, which IMHO, is crap. Upgrade 
> to the
> > > new
> > >  60CSX and you will probably never see anything more accurate. I do
> not
> > >  beleive that you can compare two GPS units for accuracy on a single
> > > geocache
> > >  or any geocache for that matter. The cache owner's coordinates
> could be off
> > >  for one. Also, both your GPS units will give slightly different
> readings on
> > >  where the cache is supposed to be. To find true accuracy, take a 
> waypoint
> > >  and mark it with your GPS. Of course, with any GPS, you have to
> leave it
> > >  there for a few minutes for a most accurate reading (too many
> inexperienced
> > >  cachers hide a cache, hit mark on their GPS and leave and dont 
> allow the
> > > GPS
> > >  to average location). Now, walk away a few hundred feet or more and
> then
> > >  come back to ground zero and see where your GPS takes you. Do this
> with two
> > >  units that you want to compare and see which one is most accurate. 
> > >
> > >  Of course, as Loran said, all GPS's these days are decently
> accurate. They
> > >  will all take you to a waypoint and get you within 30 feet or less.
> Do the
> > >  example above once and you will find that both GPS's did their job 
> well
> > >  enough. If you want to find truly which unit is better, with there
> still
> > >  being slight errors in GPS's, you will still need to do the example
> above
> > >  several times to average your results out to truly see which unit 
> is
> > > better.
> > >  Seems nit picky. Well it is... as I just said, all GPS's are
> accurate
> > >  enough. Still, if you want a GPS for just geocaching or marking
> waypoints,
> > >  then a patch antenna Etrex or a Magellan GPS Blazer 12 (now that is 
> > > ancient!
> > >  and I have one too) is all you need. If you want to mark a little
> hole in
> > >  the ground that an ant just went in to and then come back a week
> later to
> > >  find it... then you need to spend the bigger dollars for a unit 
> with a 12
> > >  channel SiRFstar III high-sensitivity (WAAS-enabled) chip and
> built-in quad
> > >  helix antenna, with external antenna connection (like the Garmin
> 60csX).
> > >  Either units will get you to a geocache or any point for that 
> matter. But
> > >  the latter technology will, on average, get you to a specific point
> more
> > >  consistantly.
> > >
> > >  >Garmins are overpriced/overrated and as industry leaders don't 
> like the
> > >  >strangle hold they maintain >on proprietary mapping software.  We
> badly
> > >  >need mapping software that will function universally in
> >handhelds.
> > >
> > >  Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt Magellan also use proprietary 
> mapping
> > >  software? (Mapsend). I could be wrong on this, but I beleive both
> Magellan
> > >  and Garmin have their own specific mapping software that must be
> used for
> > >  mapping. I think both brands will accept some other mapping 
> software, but
> > >  only for uploading and transfering of waypoints, tracks, etc and
> not maps.
> > >  If you want maps in your unit, you have to use their own mapping
> software
> > >  (Mapsend or Mapsource). 
> > >
> > >  Scott
> > >  Team Ropingthewind
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