[Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s

AZPAUL azpaul1 at cox.net
Tue Nov 14 09:31:56 MST 2006


There are lots of cachers who experience DNF's. But just a few of us 
honest enough to admit it.

EMa wrote:
> Well I guess we all cant be perfect.   Its a shame that some people 
> never experience a DNF.  What a feeling to know that someone hid such 
> a good cache that you need to come back a 2nd and 3rd time just to 
> find it.
>
> On 11/14/06, *Ford, Denny* <denny.ford6 at honeywell.com 
> <mailto:denny.ford6 at honeywell.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ok I will finally pipe in,
>     If you are a good Geocacher, if you get within 25 feet of the
>     cache you
>     can find it, does not matter the tools, it is the skill of the
>     cacher.
>     For the Amateurs who actually need the GPS to find the cache I feel
>     sorry for you.
>
>     Denny Ford,  Tres Hombres
>
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>
>     [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>] On Behalf Of
>     loranwilcox at chartermi.net <mailto:loranwilcox at chartermi.net>
>     Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:33 PM
>     To: listserv at azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
>     Cc: Guy Aldrich
>     Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s
>
>     Still nice to have the Discriptions and Past Logs so I would give
>     up on
>     the PDA.
>
>     Team Sand Dollar
>
>     ---- Guy Aldrich <graldrich at gmail.com
>     <mailto:graldrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > I have to say the Garmin 60CSX is the most accurate unit I've seen
>     > under all conditions and I have a Magellan meridian and a explorist
>     > 210. With that new Cirf chip it seems to get you to ground zero
>     > quicker . The explorist 210 has the most bang for the buck,You
>     really
>     > don't need a PDA because it displays type of container,full
>     > name,terrain,difficulty,date last found and the full hint.
>     >
>     > On 11/13/06, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net
>     <mailto:bcasteel at uccinc.net>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > I don't recall having problems like that in most cases.  In fact,
>     often
>     > > times while sitting on my butt writing my cache log, I'll look
>     over
>     to the
>     > > GPS and watch it flirt with 0' on a regular basis.  If it
>     happens to
>     get no
>     > > closer than 5' on a cache, I'd consider that quite excellent
>     overall.
>     > > Magellan has advantages over Garmin and likewise Garmin over
>     Magellan.  The
>     > > most obvious between the 2 is the abundance of mapping software
>     options
>     > > Garmin has available to the very limited Magellan options.  Of
>     course, with
>     > > the newer gen Garmin units, satellite acquisition is much better
>     with the
>     > > new SeRF chip.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Brian
>     > >
>     > > Team A.I.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >  ________________________________
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > From: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>
>     > > [mailto: az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>] On
>     > > Behalf Of Cordell Harris
>     > >  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:06 AM
>     > >  To: listserv at azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
>     > >  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something -
>     Magellen 200s
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > OK Scott.  Did I fail to mention that we have had the
>     opportunity to
>     compare
>     > > the performance of (7) seven Magellan and Garmins against each
>     other
>     while
>     > > doing something like 500 plus caches all over the US.  In my
>     original
>     > > missive a forgot about the emap unit.  The units we used are the
>     Garmin
>     > > Emap, 76CS, Etrex Legend, Etrex Legend Vista Cx. The 3 Magellans
>     were all
>     > > Sportrack Pros.  We seem to keep dropping them!  Maybe I
>     should also
>     note
>     > > that none of the units failed operationally. Of all the
>     Garmins the
>     Etrex
>     > > Legend is the best, e.g. sensititivy and accuracy.  All the others
>     have/had
>     > > serious errors of 7 to 10 ft on the high resolution scale.  These
>     errors are
>     > > consistent with caches that were placed by careful knowledgeable
>     cachers.
>     > > We have also had opportunity to compare waypoints established
>     scientifically
>     > > by standards.  The  3 Magellan Sportrack Pros were all perfect
>     replicas and
>     > > were dead on.  I am not hostile toward Garmin, but cannot ignore
>     results.
>     > > Both mapsource and mapsend topos (I have both) will allow exchange
>     of
>     > > waypoints but not maps.  What I would like to be able to do is use
>     Delorme
>     > > topo maps (superior) in either or both brands of receivers with
>     Garmin
>     > > waypoint symbols.  My backhand at Garmin is simply because
>     they are
>     the
>     > > industry leaders in terms of sales and promotions and for now
>     get to
>     set the
>     > > trend.  Magellan Sportrack Pros are a great deal and very
>     adequate
>     for
>     > > geocaching.  I repeat my offer to trade the etrex legend vista Cx
>     for a
>     > > eXplorist 500.  There is nothing wrong with the vista Cx
>     except the
>     offset
>     > > mentioned above.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > On 11/13/06, Roping The Wind <arizcowboy at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:arizcowboy at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >  >From: "Cordell Harris" < cordh5 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:cordh5 at gmail.com>>
>     > >
>     > >  >Magellan has better, more user friendly receivers that are more
>     sensitive
>     > >  >and accurate.  If >unconvinced, try caching with the owner of a
>     Magellan
>     > >  >Sportrack Pro. Presently, we own two >Garmins a etrex legend and
>     an etrex
>     > >  >legend vista cx.
>     > >
>     > >  The etrex line uses a patch antenna, which IMHO, is crap.
>     Upgrade
>     to the
>     > > new
>     > >  60CSX and you will probably never see anything more accurate.
>     I do
>     not
>     > >  beleive that you can compare two GPS units for accuracy on a
>     single
>     > > geocache
>     > >  or any geocache for that matter. The cache owner's coordinates
>     could be off
>     > >  for one. Also, both your GPS units will give slightly different
>     readings on
>     > >  where the cache is supposed to be. To find true accuracy, take a
>     waypoint
>     > >  and mark it with your GPS. Of course, with any GPS, you have to
>     leave it
>     > >  there for a few minutes for a most accurate reading (too many
>     inexperienced
>     > >  cachers hide a cache, hit mark on their GPS and leave and dont
>     allow the
>     > > GPS
>     > >  to average location). Now, walk away a few hundred feet or
>     more and
>     then
>     > >  come back to ground zero and see where your GPS takes you. Do
>     this
>     with two
>     > >  units that you want to compare and see which one is most
>     accurate.
>     > >
>     > >  Of course, as Loran said, all GPS's these days are decently
>     accurate. They
>     > >  will all take you to a waypoint and get you within 30 feet or
>     less.
>     Do the
>     > >  example above once and you will find that both GPS's did
>     their job
>     well
>     > >  enough. If you want to find truly which unit is better, with
>     there
>     still
>     > >  being slight errors in GPS's, you will still need to do the
>     example
>     above
>     > >  several times to average your results out to truly see which
>     unit
>     is
>     > > better.
>     > >  Seems nit picky. Well it is... as I just said, all GPS's are
>     accurate
>     > >  enough. Still, if you want a GPS for just geocaching or marking
>     waypoints,
>     > >  then a patch antenna Etrex or a Magellan GPS Blazer 12 (now
>     that is
>     > > ancient!
>     > >  and I have one too) is all you need. If you want to mark a little
>     hole in
>     > >  the ground that an ant just went in to and then come back a week
>     later to
>     > >  find it... then you need to spend the bigger dollars for a unit
>     with a 12
>     > >  channel SiRFstar III high-sensitivity (WAAS-enabled) chip and
>     built-in quad
>     > >  helix antenna, with external antenna connection (like the Garmin
>     60csX).
>     > >  Either units will get you to a geocache or any point for that
>     matter. But
>     > >  the latter technology will, on average, get you to a specific
>     point
>     more
>     > >  consistantly.
>     > >
>     > >  >Garmins are overpriced/overrated and as industry leaders don't
>     like the
>     > >  >strangle hold they maintain >on proprietary mapping
>     software.  We
>     badly
>     > >  >need mapping software that will function universally in
>     >handhelds.
>     > >
>     > >  Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt Magellan also use
>     proprietary
>     mapping
>     > >  software? (Mapsend). I could be wrong on this, but I beleive both
>     Magellan
>     > >  and Garmin have their own specific mapping software that must be
>     used for
>     > >  mapping. I think both brands will accept some other mapping
>     software, but
>     > >  only for uploading and transfering of waypoints, tracks, etc and
>     not maps.
>     > >  If you want maps in your unit, you have to use their own mapping
>     software
>     > >  (Mapsend or Mapsource).
>     > >
>     > >  Scott
>     > >  Team Ropingthewind
>     > >
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