[Az-Geocaching] RE: More info (LONG)

[AZcachemeister]

Thanks Steve! This information is very enlightening, and negates the 
stigma placed on you by another (unnamed) cacher. It's sad that your 
efforts will take so long to be rewarded, but rest assured they will be. 
Zealots like this Carla person can't hold their power forever, and 
eventually logical reason will be permitted. As has been stated, 'Why 
preserve something, and then not allow it to be enjoyed'?

Team Tierra Buena wrote:

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> I can hear what you are saying about my post, however, I would like to 
> hear more of what you have to say on this topic. I know Carla and 
> realize some difficulties you may have come across. I will take your 
> advice and put my thoughts out of my head, but cannot bury my head 
> when I know what is right or wrong outweighs who is right or wrong. 
> What is your history/connection with this topic? Tell me more than 
> "just forget it".
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> You're right. You and the other relative newcomers should know a bit 
> more about why you have a better chance of getting a cache in a 
> National Park than you do in the Preserve.
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> If you haven't figured it out yet, I was the [expletive deleted] that 
> showed up at that meeting in an attempt to get the Commission to 
> reconsider their original decision to ban caching, which had been made 
> as soon as they heard about it, with no attempt to solicit public 
> input. Claire Miller, the Preserve manager, was sympathetic to giving 
> Geocaching a trial period, but Claire serves at the pleasure of the 
> Commission as an employee of the city.
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> On Claire's advice, I was told to submit a written request to the 
> Commission to have the policy reconsidered, which I did on December 
> 11, 2002. I was told to prepare a presentation in support of my 
> argument, which I did (I still have the PowerPoint). I was granted a 
> slot on the agenda at the meeting of April, 2003.
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> Now, a couple of pieces of background here. I learned of the 
> Commission's original ban at the Land Managers' meeting of September, 
> 2002. That was less than three months after /Arizona Repugnant/ 
> originally raked their muck. So the Commission wasted no time 
> responding to that bit of alarmism. The other thing you should know or 
> recall is that the summer of '02 saw many public lands closed due to 
> the fire danger. On June 21, a then-young cacher went after a 
> now-archived cache that many of us, me included, thought was on State 
> Trust land. Subsequently, we learned it was within the Preserve by a 
> few hundred feet. Regardless, he did two things: He entered the 
> Preserve in spite of the closed sign, and he posted that fact in his 
> online log. You can read it at: http://tinyurl.com/5rndy.
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> The perpetrator, by the way, is now serving his country in the uniform 
> of the US Navy and has grown up a bit. But I'll bet you a dollar if 
> you ask Carla today why she opposes caching in the Preserve, she will 
> bring this up in less than two minutes, as though it were a daily 
> occurrence. (She probably thinks Geocachers dumped that car body out 
> on the Taliesin Trail, too, but since nobody ever logged that she 
> can't say it publicly.) To this day I think the worst thing I ever did 
> to Geocaching was to not follow my instinct and convince that young 
> man to delete or amend his log the instant I saw it.
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> Okay, back to the meeting. I think it's instructive to read the first 
> major item on the agenda that evening, even though it has nothing to 
> do with Geocaching. About two months prior to this meeting, you may 
> recall, a plane took off on a moonless night from Scottsdale Airport 
> and crashed into McDowell Peak, killing both its occupants. This 
> agenda item was the Commission's response. Instead of trying to figure 
> out how to make the preserve safer, they brought in the Airport to try 
> and ban aircraft from flying over the Preserve! (It turns out they are 
> legally powerless to do this.)
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> Now, after they get this bit of bad news, it's my turn. I am 
> blindsided with the information that a) they will not permit me to 
> make my presentation as I was courteous enough to make copies for 
> everyone at my own expense, and b) I am instructed that I may speak 
> only in direct response to questions from the Commissioners.
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> There weren't a lot of questions. Carla began with her rant about how 
> Geocachers were hell-bent on destroying archaeological sites (it must 
> be true, it was in the /Repugnant/) and ignoring "keep out" signs. 
> When I tried to rebut those points, the Commission Chair instructed me 
> to be quiet as I was not responding to a question. One of the newer 
> Commissioners thought Geocaching sounded like a harmless, 
> family-oriented activity, but she was quickly straightened out by the 
> rest of the Commission.
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> I did get a chance to bring up CITO, but Carla maintained that the 
> Stewards and other volunteers would do that "...without having to 
> leave litter of their own...". And when I was able to point out that 
> we would increase Preserve visitation, Carla said (not an exact quote, 
> but close enough), "...we don't need increased visitation from this 
> kind of people. We have our own programs for bringing people out here."
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> By this point there were no brows left to be beaten. The vote against 
> reconsideration (in other words, we're voting against just THINKING 
> about it, let alone actually DOING anything) was unanimous.
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> You know, between the National Forests, the BLM, and State Trust Land, 
> who needs 'em?
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> Steve
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> Team Tierra Buena
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> NOW I am going to bed.
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