[Az-Geocaching] RE: More info (LONG)

Tue Jan 25 22:48:56 MST 2005

Perhaps Carla should wake up to this era and smell the roses.  If Geocaching was such a bad thing, then why was I invited to participate in the Montana Outdoor Recreation Exposition in March?  They are looking to add Geocaching to their seminars and possibly events, and it was referred to me by TPTB as a contact to become involved.  Geez, the concept of promoting such an activity throughout the entire state disgusts me.

Brian
Team A.I.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Apryl Clark 
  To: listserv at azgeocaching.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] RE: More info (LONG)

  Wow. That's all I got. Wow.

  Apryl

  >From: "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena at earthlink.net> 
  >Reply-To: listserv at azgeocaching.com 
  >To: "Arizona Geocaching" <az-geocaching at listserv.azgeocaching.com> 
  >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: More info (LONG) 
  >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:22:28 -0700 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >I can hear what you are saying about my post, however, I would like to hear 
  >more of what you have to say on this topic. I know Carla and realize some 
  >difficulties you may have come across. I will take your advice and put my 
  >thoughts out of my head, but cannot bury my head when I know what is right 
  >or wrong outweighs who is right or wrong. What is your history/connection 
  >with this topic? Tell me more than "just forget it". 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >You're right. You and the other relative newcomers should know a bit more 
  >about why you have a better chance of getting a cache in a National Park 
  >than you do in the Preserve. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >If you haven't figured it out yet, I was the [expletive deleted] that showed 
  >up at that meeting in an attempt to get the Commission to reconsider their 
  >original decision to ban caching, which had been made as soon as they heard 
  >about it, with no attempt to solicit public input. Claire Miller, the 
  >Preserve manager, was sympathetic to giving Geocaching a trial period, but 
  >Claire serves at the pleasure of the Commission as an employee of the city. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >On Claire's advice, I was told to submit a written request to the Commission 
  >to have the policy reconsidered, which I did on December 11, 2002. I was 
  >told to prepare a presentation in support of my argument, which I did (I 
  >still have the PowerPoint). I was granted a slot on the agenda at the 
  >meeting of April, 2003. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >Now, a couple of pieces of background here. I learned of the Commission's 
  >original ban at the Land Managers' meeting of September, 2002. That was less 
  >than three months after Arizona Repugnant originally raked their muck. So 
  >the Commission wasted no time responding to that bit of alarmism. The other 
  >thing you should know or recall is that the summer of '02 saw many public 
  >lands closed due to the fire danger. On June 21, a then-young cacher went 
  >after a now-archived cache that many of us, me included, thought was on 
  >State Trust land. Subsequently, we learned it was within the Preserve by a 
  >few hundred feet. Regardless, he did two things: He entered the Preserve in 
  >spite of the closed sign, and he posted that fact in his online log. You can 
  >read it at: http://tinyurl.com/5rndy. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >The perpetrator, by the way, is now serving his country in the uniform of 
  >the US Navy and has grown up a bit. But I'll bet you a dollar if you ask 
  >Carla today why she opposes caching in the Preserve, she will bring this up 
  >in less than two minutes, as though it were a daily occurrence. (She 
  >probably thinks Geocachers dumped that car body out on the Taliesin Trail, 
  >too, but since nobody ever logged that she can't say it publicly.) To this 
  >day I think the worst thing I ever did to Geocaching was to not follow my 
  >instinct and convince that young man to delete or amend his log the instant 
  >I saw it. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >Okay, back to the meeting. I think it's instructive to read the first major 
  >item on the agenda that evening, even though it has nothing to do with 
  >Geocaching. About two months prior to this meeting, you may recall, a plane 
  >took off on a moonless night from Scottsdale Airport and crashed into 
  >McDowell Peak, killing both its occupants. This agenda item was the 
  >Commission's response. Instead of trying to figure out how to make the 
  >preserve safer, they brought in the Airport to try and ban aircraft from 
  >flying over the Preserve! (It turns out they are legally powerless to do 
  >this.) 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >Now, after they get this bit of bad news, it's my turn. I am blindsided with 
  >the information that a) they will not permit me to make my presentation as I 
  >was courteous enough to make copies for everyone at my own expense, and b) I 
  >am instructed that I may speak only in direct response to questions from the 
  >Commissioners. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >There weren't a lot of questions. Carla began with her rant about how 
  >Geocachers were hell-bent on destroying archaeological sites (it must be 
  >true, it was in the Repugnant) and ignoring "keep out" signs. When I tried 
  >to rebut those points, the Commission Chair instructed me to be quiet as I 
  >was not responding to a question. One of the newer Commissioners thought 
  >Geocaching sounded like a harmless, family-oriented activity, but she was 
  >quickly straightened out by the rest of the Commission. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >I did get a chance to bring up CITO, but Carla maintained that the Stewards 
  >and other volunteers would do that ".without having to leave litter of their 
  >own.". And when I was able to point out that we would increase Preserve 
  >visitation, Carla said (not an exact quote, but close enough), ".we don't 
  >need increased visitation from this kind of people. We have our own programs 
  >for bringing people out here." 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >By this point there were no brows left to be beaten. The vote against 
  >reconsideration (in other words, we're voting against just THINKING about 
  >it, let alone actually DOING anything) was unanimous. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >You know, between the National Forests, the BLM, and State Trust Land, who 
  >needs 'em? 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >Steve 
  > 
  >Team Tierra Buena 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  >NOW I am going to bed. 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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