[Az-Geocaching] CITO 2005 #2
AZcachemeister
azcachemeister at getnet.com
Thu Apr 28 05:19:15 MST 2005
Six pairs. I don't know why I carry so many extras, but it does allow me
to share with those who are less prepared. :-D
PATRICK FINLEY wrote:
> Brian..............Your reply is exactly what I expected in response
> to my post. I know you organized the Adopt-A-Highway cleanup and I'm
> sure it has made a difference along this section of highway. I applaud
> your efforts and those who have participated in the cleanup events. I
> never said it was "wrong" to cleanup this section of highway as you
> implied, but don't need somebody telling me or other cachers that we
> aren't serious geocachers because we didn't show up to do this
> cleanup. CITO is a good thing, and if you were to ask other cachers
> we've hunted with, I'm sure they would tell you that we practice CITO
> as much as the next guy. I know this is important to you and that's
> fine, but I'd much rather spend my time cleaning up an area that is
> closer to my heart That's my choice and is just as important to me as
> the Geocaching section is to you. Myself and Mrs. Wrangler spent an
> hour and a half picking up trash along Cochran Rd. heading into the
> Cochran Campout last month, and actually had one of the local
> residents stop and thank us for helping keep this small area a little
> cleaner. Isn't "this" what CITO is supposed to be about? I guess I
> consider myself and Mrs. Wrangler "serious" geocachers, regardless
> what Sport Trac/K or anybody else thinks. To imply that the 20 or so
> people who showed up for the cleanup are the only dedicated CITO
> geocachers in Az. is ludicrous. The quote from Sport Trac/K makes me
> assume that he was a little disappointed with the turnout. As stated
> before, some people have commitments and/or family business to tend
> to, and can't make it to the cleanups. Don't for one second believe
> that these cachers aren't as dedicated as those who turned out for the
> cleanup. Anyway, I think I made my point and won't dwell on this any
> longer. .....................P.S. ............Steve...How many AA
> batteries does it take to make your pants sag?.................
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Brian Casteel
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:13 AM
> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] CITO 2005 #2
>
> I took many deep breaths before I opted to say anything in
> response. So, here goes...
>
> It WAS the dirtiest section of highway because it was unlucky
> enough to be on the receiving end of regional winds that happen to
> flow across the landfill before reaching this area. It also
> happens to cut right through the heart of reservation land, which
> unless blind, isn't well maintained unless it falls within the
> immediate proximity of a sacred cash cow (aka, casinos). It also
> happens to be a public highway, and a fair percentage of those who
> travel it feel that the world is their trash can, from cigarette
> butts to used drug paraphernalia. True, state highways cut right
> through these lands, and state easements on either side of said
> highway isn't the responsibility of those whose land it cuts
> through. The state really should be the ones handling this, but
> thanks to everyone else holding out their hand for a piece of the
> taxpayer pie, that possibility is never going to be realized.
> Looking for a way to let groups/individuals/families promote
> themselves through community service, ADOT created the
> Adopt-A-Highway Program, in an effort to allow generous and able
> folks to volunteer their time for the betterment of all, not just
> for the pimping of their groups or ideals. Now, you suspect that
> this stretch of highway was available because it was such a dump.
> I'm here to tell you that you are DEAD WRONG, and here's why I
> know this. Beneath the words Arizona Geocachers is the name of a
> local business in Phoenix, who shall remain nameless. This
> business, according to ADOT has completely neglected this stretch
> of highway for quite awhile, allowing it to fall into such
> disarray, which made it available for adoption, as well as several
> other stretches that weren't as close to town as this for us. It
> also has a less than desired reputation, which follows the lack of
> desire to uphold their commitment.
>
> Thanks to the cachers throughout Arizona who have participated in
> this program, as it has become one of the cleanest sections of
> highway out there. Proof is in the numbers. If I recall, the
> first ever cleanup resulted in 150+ bags being collected. This
> most recent one resulted in 66% less trash collected, or
> approximately 50 bags. The Adopt-A-Highway Program is a wonderful
> way to volunteer time for a truly worthwhile effort. The CITO
> program is something I feel is an integral part of what makes
> Geocaching such a good thing, especially in rural areas. The
> concept follows the NFS 'Leave No Trace' program, as well as
> others and have been wildly successful. I put myself on the line
> for the commitment because I believe that Arizona Geocachers are
> people who believe in such commitments, and that a number of them
> would dedicate time as opportunity presented itself and work as a
> group to help keep Arizona beautiful. I still believe this, but
> know it isn't for everyone. You also say, 'why not clean up a
> section of our beautiful desert instead?' Why should it be so
> wrong to clean up this section? Personally, I have cleaned up
> this 'beautiful desert' on countless occasions, that had nothing
> to do with publicity or 'getting the good name of Geocaching out
> there in a positive light'. I've cleaned up areas in Bulldog
> Canyon numerous times, and have done so on several occasions up
> here as well. Just because the CITO cleanups exist, doesn't make
> them a bad thing, and I really wonder where such venomous
> hostility came from. Why can't one do both? CITO cleanups on
> that stretch of highway are something we as cachers should be
> proud of, because it's certainly practicing what we preach. We
> collectively imply that we support the concept of CITO, which
> anyone in their right minds should do anyway. It shouldn't be a
> shunned concept because one single method was chosen that is overt
> in nature, and one that can potentially affect the opinions of
> those very people who could take this enjoyment away from us.
> There is an area up here called simply '17 Mile' It's just past
> MP17 on a highway leading out of town here, hence its name
> origin. Just a few weeks ago, the annual cleanup for this rural
> shooting range was held. Had I not just started a new job <1 week
> earlier, I'd have driven myself out there and spent the day
> cleaning up other people's messes. Not in the name of Geocaching,
> but in the name of volunteerism, and in order to do my part to
> ensure that an area I enjoy remains open for not only myself, but
> others who entertain themselves at this area. No, we don't need
> to do the CITO cleanup along a highway to show we care. But isn't
> it a great way to do so?
>
> I think the comment made by Sport Trac/k was taken way out of
> context. It's one thing to enjoy each other's company inside an
> air-conditioned environment where only 'fun' is the name of the
> game. It's an entirely different thing to put in the physical
> labor outside, sometimes under extreme heat in order to improve
> the appearance of an area thousands see daily. To some, it isn't
> fun, and that's why they don't show up. To others, family
> commitments scheduled in advance take precedence. To even more,
> physical limitations prevent them from participating, whereas
> sitting down to dinner at a restaurant is something they are able
> to do, not only due to timing, but environmental/physical concerns
> can be thrown out the window because it isn't as physically
> demanding Two hours in the sun along a stretch of asphalt truly
> isn't as fun as two hours on the trail. It's not for everyone,
> and that's fine I organized/participated because I saw the need
> to clean it up. I did this because it was important to me, and I
> wanted to make a difference. For the time I was able to
> participate with everyone there, I truly enjoyed it, and felt that
> I did make a difference. I'm sorry you don't feel like
> participating in such a program, but this is your right and I'm
> not going to feel any less toward you because of it. Those who
> show up to help, do because they want to. Of those who don't,
> some don't because they don't want to, but not all of them. That
> is their right and I can't fault them for it. But I do have a
> problem with faulting people because they want to, which is what I
> feel some of your reply...implies. You truly should care what
> people in the Valley think of Geocaching, because some of those
> people are those who can take it away. All that aside, an
> activity such as CITO cleanups are truly worthwhile.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* PATRICK FINLEY <mailto:Fastball50 at msn.com>
> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
> <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com> ; ShadowAce
> <mailto:shadowace.az at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:46 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] CITO 2005 #2
>
> Personally, I really don't have any interest in cleaning up
> one of the dirtiest section of highways in the state of Az. I
> suspect this section of highway was available for adoption
> because it is such a dump. I know it's close to the landfill,
> and that's probably one reason why it's so littered. It's nice
> that geocachers are interested in cleaning up this highway,
> but why not clean up a section of our beautiful desert
> instead? Granted, Geocaching may not receive any attention
> from the general public by cleaning up a shooting/dumping area
> in the rural area, but I don't really care what others in the
> Valley think of geocachers. We pick up trash while caching all
> the time and don't need to pick up trash along an urban
> highway to show we care. Besides, I'd like to know what the
> definition of a "serious" cacher is. I really don't think that
> picking up urban trash 1 day for 2 hours makes somebody a
> "serious" geocacher. How about going out seeking and placing
> caches on a regular basis, instead of giving the geocaching
> world the definition of serious geocaching?............Flatiron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ShadowAce
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:07 AM
> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] CITO 2005 #2
>
> Not to worry Gale, I think most people saw it for what it
> is, an
> attempt to make others feel bad. I am sorry that I was
> unable to miss
> training and drive almost 4 hours round trip to pick up
> trash in
> Phoenix again.
>
> I did not know that meant I was anything less of a cacher.
> I am sure
> most of Phoenix will drive down here when we do cleanups.
> So...
>
> On 4/26/05, Gale <sonoralovesmommy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I disagree with that last statement.
> >
> >
> > "Will5119 at cox.net" <will5119 at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I would like to thank all of those who came out to help
> us with this CITO
> > event. Only the most serious geocachers turn out for
> this type of cache!
> >
> > Sport Trac/k
> >
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