[Az-Geocaching] Box game brings out bomb squad

Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:27:17 -0700

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>>Since a good conspiracy is an unprovable one...I do find it odd, however,
that several years before 9/11, a foreign leader (Pakistan, I think) offered
up Osama to the US, who flatly refused.  Oops.

Part of the problem that was foreseen was that prior to the "War on
Terrorism", terror suspects were treated as criminals afforded all rights
within the U.S. Justice system. What could he have been held on? How soon
before a high-profile defense attorney would have him sprung for lack of
direct evidence? Then what? 

9/11 events changed all that. Regardless of your opinion of GWB, it was a
correct decision to essentially declare war on all countries who sponsor or
harbor terrorists. Afghanistan was a start. Iraq was next (for those who
think this was about getting our hand on a vast oil supply, have you seen
gas prices, lately?). I notice Libya has gotten the message. Who's next?
Syria? Iran? North Korea? France?

As far as geocaching is concerned, Americans SHOULD be at a heightened level
of AWARENESS. Why was there a cache container at Disneyland? Did the cache
owner have permission from the landowner? Doubtful. Perhaps the
proliferation of urban caches should remind people that perhaps the best
place for a cache is in the middle of nowhere.

As far as civil liberties are concerned, show me someone that is rotting in
a U.S. prison without 1)due process, or 2)habeas corpus, that was not
trained in a terrorist training camp. The Patriot Act allows law enforcement
with a warrant to retrieve the library records of a suspect. Oh the
humanity! Librarians went nuts! Civil liberties were on the verge of
disappearing! But there was due process. And if you had a suspect that was
researching bomb-making materials at the local tax-payer funded house of
books, wouldn't that be evidence you would want to use in a trial? Don't
librarians use record-keeping to charge you late fees? But that's okay,
though.

Admittedly, there are circumstances in which security is overblown. Been to
the airport lately? How about the Hoover Dam? Both are ridiculously
'over-secure' for one threat-type but completely blind to others (I won't
explain that statement, you either understand it or you don't)

In closing, more geocaches in the Far West Valley!!!

Bill

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Part of the =
problem that
was foreseen was that prior to the &#8220;War on Terrorism&#8221;, =
terror
suspects were treated as criminals afforded all rights within the U.S. =
Justice
system. What could he have been held on? How soon before a high-profile =
defense
attorney would have him sprung for lack of direct evidence? Then what? =
<o:p></o:p>

9/11 events =
changed all
that. Regardless of your opinion of GWB, it was a correct decision to
essentially declare war on all countries who sponsor or harbor =
terrorists. <st1:country-region
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region> was
a start. <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>
was next (for those who think this was about getting our hand on a vast =
oil
supply, have you seen gas prices, lately?). I notice <st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
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message. Who&#8217;s
next? <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Syria</st1:place></st1:country-region>?
<st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
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<st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">North =
Korea</st1:place></st1:country-region>?
<st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
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As far as =
geocaching is
concerned, Americans SHOULD be at a heightened level of AWARENESS. Why =
was
there a cache container at <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Disneyland</st1:place>? Did the
cache owner have permission from the landowner? Doubtful. Perhaps the =
proliferation
of urban caches should remind people that perhaps the best place for a =
cache is
in the middle of nowhere.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

As far as civil =
liberties
are concerned, show me someone that is rotting in a <st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region> prison without 1)due =
process, or
2)habeas corpus, that was not trained in a terrorist training camp. The =
Patriot
Act allows law enforcement with a warrant to retrieve the library =
records of a
suspect. Oh the humanity! Librarians went nuts! Civil liberties were on =
the
verge of disappearing! But there was due process. And if you had a =
suspect that
was researching bomb-making materials at the local tax-payer funded =
house of
books, wouldn&#8217;t that be evidence you would want to use in a trial? =
Don&#8217;t
librarians use record-keeping to charge you late fees? But that&#8217;s =
okay,
though.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></font></p>

Admittedly, =
there are
circumstances in which security is overblown. Been to the airport =
lately? How
about the <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Hoover</st1:place></st1:City>
Dam? Both are ridiculously &#8216;over-secure&#8217; for one threat-type =
but
completely blind to others (I won&#8217;t explain that statement, you =
either
understand it or you don&#8217;t)<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In closing, more
geocaches in the <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Far =
West</st1:PlaceName>
 <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">Valley</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font=
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</span></font></p>

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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bill<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>

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