[Az-Geocaching] Box game brings out bomb squad
Brian - Team A.I.
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Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:40:47 -0700
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I posted this on the gc.com forums in a thread about a similar situation =
in which a Disneyland cache (micro) was discovered just before an =
attraction reopened, resulting in a delay while it was investigated:
...society has been conditioned to a state of hypervigilant paranoia, =
resulting in stupid scenarios like ammo cans being blown up under a rock =
pile. It wouldn't matter if the ammo can was clear plexiglass, with =
nothing more than a fully translucent logbook that made it clear the =
object being looked at is nothing more than an object, and not an =
explosive device. Someone would still freak out over it, and thousands =
of dollars would be wasted. Heck, there could be a blanket =
understanding/approval by law enforcement for a specific type of cache =
container that we were allowed to use, and yet someone would still call =
and we'd find TBs blown sky high by disruptors.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't take everything I see as a =
surgically-altered Osama, and freak out everytime I see someone breathe.
But following that officer's logic, hikers are candidates for the Bataan =
Death March, mountain bikers are Hells Angels and rock climbers are =
suicidal...well, that may actually be the case but still. ;)
I understand that bombs and explosives are real. In seconds, I could =
have a recipe for ammonia, nitrogen or hydrogen tri-iodide, by doing a =
simple Google search. But the mere presence of that information doesn't =
mean it exists or that authorities need to be called to investigate. =
That being said, a box, ammo can or Rubbermaid container stashed under a =
bush isn't always cause to just go off the deep end and call out so many =
resources. In all honesty, most of them stand around waiting for =
something to happen while a select few do the real grunt work.
In my position, I have seen liberties disrupted. Whenever the Terror =
Alert Wheel O' Color stops on Orange, operations at work are quite =
overtly affected. Should we ever go to Red, I'll be walking into a =
heavily armed prison when I get to work each day. But in everyday life, =
I can't say that the changes have been so clear. It's my sheer =
disagreement with the removal of our civil liberties in the name of =
protecting us from a faceless enemy that is the issue. As with =
something such as gun control, the only people affected are the ones =
with the right to have them. There are enough enemies of the United =
States that we could make up quite a few people from every conceivable =
nationailty, race, or color. Some would be the model of what the Aryan =
Nation hope to make this world, while others would be model Black =
Panther recruits. Still, we would have at least some who prefer sushi =
over pizza and the Qu'ran to the KJV Bible. =20
I don't think that we should just sit back, drink beer and become =
complacent to the goings on in this world, but too little is being done =
to protect the country from the outside, at our expense. A porous =
Mexican border has been used to smuggle al Qaida members into the =
country (I've read the intelligence to confirm this), and still lacking =
security measures at international ports of entry have allowed even more =
to get through. Just 2 nights ago, I received calls about a semi =
carrying UDAs. Keep in mind that this was a double trailer semi with =
people stacked shoulder-to-shoulder. Conceivably, there could have been =
upwards of 500 people between them. Who is to say that 3 or 4 of them =
weren't radical fundamentalists from a group who disagrees with what the =
US is, and want to drive a bomb-laden car into a major metropolitan =
mall?
<Conspiracy Theory Moment>
Not too long ago, I heard rumblings that the Joint Chiefs 10+ years ago =
contemplated allowing a terrorist attack on US soil, with the hopes that =
it would soften the public opinion on increased military spending. =
This, if I recall correctly, wasn't too long before the first WTC =
bombing, which would have been considered only marginally successful by =
measuring public opinion. Oklahoma City was another significant blow, =
but apparently not enough. It wasn't until the Twin Towers finally fell =
that everybody was gung-ho military, chanting "kill 'em all" in response =
to the atrocity, and demanding that we carpet bomb someone, something, =
somewhere. Since a good conspiracy is an unprovable one...I do find it =
odd, however, that several years before 9/11, a foreign leader =
(Pakistan, I think) offered up Osama to the US, who flatly refused. =
Oops.
</Conspiracy Theory Moment>
Now I don't spend every waking moment looking over my shoulder, but I'm =
aware of what goes on around me. The day I start putting surveillance =
cameras around my home to start watching anyone of 'arab' descent, or =
that just looks mean, is the day I drive off a cliff and fuggedaboutit, =
because I've already gone over the edge. There's too much paranoia, and =
not enough protection in the right places.
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Henson=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Box game brings out bomb squad
On Saturday, March 27, 2004, at 09:22 AM, RopingThe Wind wrote:
Oh yea. Now I have heard it all! :( You have gots to be kidding =
me!!?!??=20
...
Anyways, I'm not trying to be sarcastic here or anything... but, I =
think it is truly rediculous that many people live their life this way. =
I dont worry about the small stuff. Someday something will do me in. =
But, I am not worrying about when that day will come. I am just trying =
to live my life and enjoy it the best I can.
... What is up with the comment about the 'star trek' games =
anyways!? Is he suggesting that we should not be able to go out and =
enjoy the outdoors and basically live life?!
Scott
Team Ropingthewind
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One more point of view. Seems like bombs and explosives are real.
- Ken
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http://www.asuwebdevil.com/news/2004/03/26/News/Explosive.Shakes.Asu.Faci=
lity-642444.shtml
Explosive shakes ASU facility
Bomb units investigate incident involving trash can
By Tim Taylor
Published: Friday, March 26, 2004=20
A device exploded in a trash can near the ASU Research Park =
approximately 1:20 a.m. Thursday, sparking bomb units from the Tempe =
Police Department to investigate.=20
A security guard on duty at the park, located between Warner and =
Elliot roads on Price Road, said he heard "a loud explosion" and went to =
investigate, according to Tempe police Sgt. Dan Masters.=20
The guard discovered that the cement receptacle on Price Road near a =
bus stop had been damaged. There were no injuries.=20
He began picking up the pieces because he thought the receptacle had =
been hit by a vehicle. He then realized that an explosive was involved =
and called 911, Masters said.=20
Bomb technicians determined that an explosive device placed in the =
trash barrel had been detonated. The technicians will be analyzing the =
evidence with help from the National Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, =
Firearms and Explosives.=20
Authorities do not know the motive of the detonation, and no threats =
have been received.=20
There is no evidence linking this incident with last Friday's bomb =
scare on the ASU Main campus, where three residence halls were evacuated =
because of a suspicious device in Parking Structure 5.=20
The research park celebrated its 20th anniversary of operations on =
Wednesday.
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Would have been interesting if Geocache had been in or around this =
object. Just
something to think about. - Ken
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I posted this on the gc.com forums in a =
thread=20
about a similar situation in which a Disneyland cache (micro) was =
discovered=20
just before an attraction reopened, resulting in a delay while it was=20
investigated:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>...society has been conditioned to a state of hypervigilant =
paranoia,=20
resulting in stupid scenarios like ammo cans being blown up under a rock =
pile.=20
It wouldn't matter if the ammo can was clear plexiglass, with nothing =
more than=20
a fully translucent logbook that made it clear the object being looked =
at is=20
nothing more than an object, and not an explosive device. Someone would =
still=20
freak out over it, and thousands of dollars would be wasted. Heck, there =
could=20
be a blanket understanding/approval by law enforcement for a specific =
type of=20
cache container that we were allowed to use, and yet someone would still =
call=20
and we'd find TBs blown sky high by disruptors.<BR><BR>Maybe it's just =
me, but I=20
don't take everything I see as a surgically-altered Osama, and freak out =
everytime I see someone breathe.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But following that officer's logic, =
hikers are=20
candidates for the Bataan Death March, mountain bikers are Hells Angels =
and rock=20
climbers are suicidal...well, that may actually be the case but =
still. =20
;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I understand that bombs and explosives =
are=20
real. In seconds, I could have a recipe for ammonia, nitrogen or =
hydrogen=20
tri-iodide, by doing a simple Google search. But the mere presence =
of that=20
information doesn't mean it exists or that authorities need to be called =
to=20
investigate. That being said, a box, ammo can or Rubbermaid =
container=20
stashed under a bush isn't always cause to just go off the deep end and =
call out=20
so many resources. In all honesty, most of them stand around =
waiting for=20
something to happen while a select few do the real grunt =
work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In my position, I have seen liberties=20
disrupted. Whenever the Terror Alert Wheel O' Color stops on =
Orange,=20
operations at work are quite overtly affected. Should we ever go =
to Red,=20
I'll be walking into a heavily armed prison when I get to work each =
day. =20
But in everyday life, I can't say that the changes have been so =
clear. =20
It's my sheer disagreement with the removal of our civil liberties in =
the name=20
of protecting us from a faceless enemy that is the issue. As with=20
something such as gun control, the only people affected are the ones =
with the=20
right to have them. There are enough enemies of the United States =
that we=20
could make up quite a few people from every conceivable nationailty, =
race, =20
or color. Some would be the model of what the Aryan Nation hope to =
make=20
this world, while others would be model Black Panther recruits. =
Still, we=20
would have at least some who prefer sushi over pizza and the Qu'ran to =
the KJV=20
Bible. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't think that we should just sit =
back, drink=20
beer and become complacent to the goings on in this world, but too =
little is=20
being done to protect the country from the outside, at our =
expense. A=20
porous Mexican border has been used to smuggle al Qaida members into the =
country=20
(I've read the intelligence to confirm this), and still lacking security =
measures at international ports of entry have allowed even more to get=20
through. Just 2 nights ago, I received calls about a semi carrying =
UDAs. Keep in mind that this was a double trailer semi with people =
stacked=20
shoulder-to-shoulder. Conceivably, there could have been upwards =
of 500=20
people between them. Who is to say that 3 or 4 of them weren't =
radical=20
fundamentalists from a group who disagrees with what the US is, and want =
to=20
drive a bomb-laden car into a major metropolitan mall?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><Conspiracy Theory =
Moment></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not too long ago, I heard rumblings =
that the Joint=20
Chiefs 10+ years ago contemplated allowing a terrorist attack on US =
soil, with=20
the hopes that it would soften the public opinion on increased military=20
spending. This, if I recall correctly, wasn't too long before the =
first=20
WTC bombing, which would have been considered only marginally successful =
by=20
measuring public opinion. Oklahoma City was another significant =
blow, but=20
apparently not enough. It wasn't until the Twin Towers finally =
fell that=20
everybody was gung-ho military, chanting "kill 'em all" in response to =
the=20
atrocity, and demanding that we carpet bomb someone, something, =
somewhere. =20
Since a good conspiracy is an unprovable one...I do find it odd, =
however, that=20
several years before 9/11, a foreign leader (Pakistan, I think) offered =
up Osama=20
to the US, who flatly refused. Oops.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></Conspiracy Theory =
Moment></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I don't spend every waking moment =
looking over=20
my shoulder, but I'm aware of what goes on around me. The day I =
start=20
putting surveillance cameras around my home to start watching anyone of =
'arab'=20
descent, or that just looks mean, is the day I drive off a cliff and=20
fuggedaboutit, because I've already gone over the edge. There's =
too much=20
paranoia, and not enough protection in the right places.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkhenson@cableone.net =
href=3D"mailto:khenson@cableone.net">Ken=20
Henson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 27, 2004 =
10:18=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
Box game=20
brings out bomb squad</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Saturday, March 27, 2004, at 09:22 AM, RopingThe =
Wind=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh yea. Now I have heard it all! :( You have gots to =
be=20
kidding me!!?!?? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>...<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Anyways, I'm not trying to be sarcastic here or =
anything... but,=20
I think it is truly rediculous that many people live their life this =
way. I=20
dont worry about the small stuff. Someday something will do me in. =
But, I am=20
not worrying about when that day will come. I am just trying to live =
my life=20
and enjoy it the best I can.<BR><BR>... What is up with the comment =
about=20
the 'star trek' games anyways!? Is he suggesting that we should not =
be able=20
to go out and enjoy the outdoors and basically live=20
life?!<BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team=20
=
Ropingthewind<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR><BR>One=20
more point of view. Seems like bombs and explosives are real.<BR>-=20
=
Ken<BR><BR>http://www.asuwebdevil.com/news/2004/03/26/News/Explosive.Shak=
es.Asu.Facility-642444.shtml<BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?bigger><?bigger><?bigger><?bigger>Explosive=20
shakes ASU =
facility<?/bigger><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontf=
amily><?param =
Verdana><?bigger><?bigger><BR><BR><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fon=
tfamily><?param Arial><?bigger>Bomb=20
units investigate incident involving trash =
can<?/bigger><?/fontfamily><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?bigger><?bigger><BR><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfamily><I><?font=
family><?param Arial>By=20
Tim=20
Taylor<?/fontfamily></I><?fontfamily><?param =
Verdana><?bigger><?bigger><BR><?/bigger><?/bigger><?color><?param =
6666,6666,6666><?smaller>Published:=20
Friday, March 26, 2004 =
<?/smaller><?/color><?bigger><?bigger><BR><?/bigger><?/bigger><?/fontfami=
ly><?fontfamily><?param Arial><BR>A=20
device exploded in a trash can near the ASU Research Park =
approximately 1:20=20
a.m. Thursday, sparking bomb units from the Tempe Police Department to =
investigate. <BR><BR>A security guard on duty at the park, located =
between=20
Warner and Elliot roads on Price Road, said he heard "a loud =
explosion" and=20
went to investigate, according to Tempe police Sgt. Dan Masters. =
<BR><BR>The=20
guard discovered that the cement receptacle on Price Road near a bus =
stop had=20
been damaged. There were no injuries. <BR><BR>He began picking up the =
pieces=20
because he thought the receptacle had been hit by a vehicle. He then =
realized=20
that an explosive was involved and called 911, Masters said. =
<BR><BR>Bomb=20
technicians determined that an explosive device placed in the trash =
barrel had=20
been detonated. The technicians will be analyzing the evidence with =
help from=20
the National Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.=20
<BR><BR>Authorities do not know the motive of the detonation, and no =
threats=20
have been received. <BR><BR>There is no evidence linking this incident =
with=20
last Friday's bomb scare on the ASU Main campus, where three residence =
halls=20
were evacuated because of a suspicious device in Parking Structure 5.=20
<BR><BR>The research park celebrated its 20th anniversary of =
operations on=20
=
Wednesday.<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<BR><BR>Would=20
have been interesting if Geocache had been in or around this object.=20
Just<BR>something to think about. -=20
Ken<?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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