[Az-Geocaching] Geocaching admin archives the plaque
Brian - Team A.I.
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:53:32 -0700
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As willing as CO_Admin has been to approve my caches, and how he goes to =
great lengths to work with you on getting small issues resolved for =
cache approval, I can say personally that he is NOT out to destroy =
caching as we know it in Phoenix. =20
Maybe it's because I've had zero problems with him that I feel this way, =
but I've always been very straightforward when it comes to my caches, =
leaving him no questions whatsoever prior to approval. There was a =
question on how I setup CITO Always, and he made a suggestion on how to =
fix the problem to pass guidelines and was approved instantly.
He is one of the best admin-approvers around IMHO, and I wouldn't be apt =
to knock him at all. If he's denied some caches out there, it's for =
good reason. If someone out there has a problem with that, get over it.
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: ShadowAce=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching admin archives the plaque
I see a difference of opinion here..=20
Yes it did get done, how long after it went missing?
Now if it disappeared or got damaged tomorrow, how long would it take =
to replace?
I do not believe this was done to spite anyone even though the cache =
owner accuses the admin of this in open public forum. Again, difference =
of opinion, it could well have been done via email to the geocaching.com =
address and done with admins on levels that the caching community would =
not have known. If you want to bring this up as an attack, then keep in =
mind this same cacher made at least a few caches I know of with no log =
sheet. When told the caches needed log sheets they logged into the site =
and said it had one and should not have been touched by admins. I had =
done one of the caches that had no logsheet and the owner put a log =
there but in his statement online he said it already had one.. So why =
would this person have to make a statement that was incorrect to this =
nature?
I think this is between 360 and the admins. I dont see how admin did =
anything wrong, but then again, I seem to agree with the minority that =
we have a good approver who does everything they can to make this a good =
game and to keep things as close to the letter if not the spirit of the =
rules as possible.
Then again, maybe I am rambling and CO Admin is out to destroy =
geocaching as others from the Phoenix area have said.
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Gale
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:43 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching admin archives the plaque
The maintanence was done, and it got archived anyway.=20
from the log:
"Thanks to Team 360 sending it to me, a new mini-cache "Altoids"=20
container with log sheet has been placed at the Tribute Plaque. I hope =
this=20
one lasts longer. "
ShadowAce <hunting@shakabruddah.com> wrote:
I dont think it was too harsh at all. I have found many a great =
headstone or historical location that I wanted to make a virtual because =
I knew I could not drive there in a reasonable time to replace a =
logbook. Many cachers created a boatload of virtuals and after the sign =
has been missing for months they still dont do anything for the cache =
because it is _only a virtual_ and they have no intention of checking =
it.
I personally found a virtual the other day and had the owner tell me =
my answer was wrong. I quoted the plaque and they went to look at it and =
low and behold I was correct and the cache owner was incorrect.. Is this =
and issue? Depends..
If the cache owner lived 200 miles away, I doubt they would have =
diven to the site and confirmed my answer..
Virtuals have a great place, but as I have been told by admins and =
agree, if you cannot maintain a logbook in the area, you most likely =
cannot maintain a virtual there either.
If the cache owner would have done the maint that they said they =
would, the cache would not have been archived..
The cache can be reactivated when and if the problem with the log is =
corrected.
if the cache owner does not care enough, then it should be archived. =
I have requested many caches to be archived when they go 6 months with =
nofinds and no attempt to fix them.
Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As willing as CO_Admin has been to =
approve my=20
caches, and how he goes to great lengths to work with you on getting =
small=20
issues resolved for cache approval, I can say personally that he is NOT =
out to=20
destroy caching as we know it in Phoenix. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe it's because I've had zero =
problems with him=20
that I feel this way, but I've always been very straightforward when it =
comes to=20
my caches, leaving him no questions whatsoever prior to approval. =
There=20
was a question on how I setup CITO Always, and he made a suggestion on =
how to=20
fix the problem to pass guidelines and was approved =
instantly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He is one of the best admin-approvers =
around IMHO,=20
and I wouldn't be apt to knock him at all. If he's denied some =
caches out=20
there, it's for good reason. If someone out there has a problem =
with that,=20
get over it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dhunting@shakabruddah.com=20
href=3D"mailto:hunting@shakabruddah.com">ShadowAce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 26, 2004 =
11:59=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Geocaching=20
admin archives the plaque</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
see a difference=20
of opinion here.. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes =
it did get=20
done, how long after it went missing?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now =
if it=20
disappeared or got damaged tomorrow, how long would it take to=20
replace?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do =
not believe=20
this was done to spite anyone even though the cache owner accuses the =
admin of=20
this in open public forum. Again, difference of opinion, it could well =
have=20
been done via email to the geocaching.com address and done with admins =
on=20
levels that the caching community would not have known. If you want to =
bring=20
this up as an attack, then keep in mind this same cacher made at least =
a few=20
caches I know of with no log sheet. When told the caches needed log =
sheets=20
they logged into the site and said it had one and should not have been =
touched=20
by admins. I had done one of the caches that had no logsheet and the =
owner put=20
a log there but in his statement online he said it already had one.. =
So why=20
would this person have to make a statement that was incorrect to this=20
nature?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
think this is=20
between 360 and the admins. I dont see how admin did anything wrong, =
but then=20
again, I seem to agree with the minority that we have a good approver =
who does=20
everything they can to make this a good game and to keep things as =
close to=20
the letter if not the spirit of the rules as =
possible.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then =
again, maybe=20
I am rambling and CO Admin is out to destroy geocaching as others from =
the=20
Phoenix area have said.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004></SPAN><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D577485206-27062004><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D577485206-27062004></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D577485206-27062004></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D577485206-27062004> </SPAN>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Gale<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:43 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Geocaching=20
admin archives the plaque<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV>The maintanence was done, and it got archived anyway. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>from the log:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Thanks to Team 360 sending it to me, a new mini-cache "Altoids"=20
<BR>container with log sheet has been placed at the Tribute Plaque. I =
hope=20
this <BR>one lasts longer. "<BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>ShadowAce <hunting@shakabruddah.com></I></B> =
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
dont think it=20
was too harsh at all. I have found many a great headstone or =
historical=20
location that I wanted to make a virtual because I knew I could not =
drive=20
there in a reasonable time to replace a logbook. Many cachers =
created a=20
boatload of virtuals and after the sign has been missing for months =
they=20
still dont do anything for the cache because it is _only a virtual_ =
and they=20
have no intention of checking it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
personally=20
found a virtual the other day and had the owner tell me my answer =
was wrong.=20
I quoted the plaque and they went to look at it and low and behold I =
was=20
correct and the cache owner was incorrect.. Is this and issue?=20
Depends..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> If the=20
cache owner lived 200 miles away, I doubt they would have diven to =
the site=20
and confirmed my answer..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Virtuals have a=20
great place, but as I have been told by admins and agree, if you =
cannot=20
maintain a logbook in the area, you most likely cannot maintain a =
virtual=20
there either.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If =
the cache=20
owner would have done the maint that they said they would, the cache =
would=20
not have been archived..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>The cache can be=20
reactivated when and if the problem with the log is=20
corrected.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D659142506-27062004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if =
the cache=20
owner does not care enough, then it should be archived. I have =
requested=20
many caches to be archived when they go 6 months with nofinds and no =
attempt=20
to fix them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc>Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang =
interminable=20
changes<BR> On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- =
so:<BR>"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the =
Ranges=20
--<BR> "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for =
you.=20
Go!"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc>Rudyard Kipling , The =
Explorer =20
1898</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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