[Az-Geocaching] Why are schools better in Arizona?
Bryon Culling
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This is a big time can of worms. You really want to make schools better in Arizona? Kick out all the ESl students. Have each school distric have one school that dose nothing but ESL. that way teachers can focus on teaching instead of wasting time trying to teach the same stuff to to one group while the other group dosn't know what your saying. You can not lower your standards to the lowest common denomenator every year and hope your kids are learning anything. you have got to set the bar and raise them up to meet it. They also need to get rid of all the teachers Like the ones I had in High school who couldn't teach or didn't know how to get or keep control of the class or were just waiting for retirement. Also. Kick out the trouble makers. Keeping them in school only makes it harder on everyone else in the class. public school is a privalage. if your kid can't follow the rules or dosn't know how to act, find a private school that will take him or visit him in jai
l when
he gets older. Don't force the school to keep kinds like that because it just brings things down and the kids that want to learn something can't because their teachers are too busy being baby sitters or translators to actually teach them something. Some of the best teachers I had dodn't take crap from anyone. If they couldn't keep a student in line, they got them out of the class and down to the office so someone else could deal with them. These people are teachers. they are not parole officers, not baby sitters, not your parents. If you didn't teach your kid how to act in public, don't expect them to tolerate your kid for acting up or disrupting their class.
Why are Arizona schools the best? because the people doing the compairing are from places like Mexico or some place in South America where the schools suck worse than they do here.
Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> wrote:
Loran,
Why are the schools better where you live? Do you think it is because with cold, dreary weather,
people stay inside to work harder and study more? Because of our great weather and scenery, we
here in Arizona have a lot of distractions that may make us less productive in academic and
working pursuits.
If the schools are truly better in Arizona, what could we in Arizona do to make our schools the
best in the USA?
What do your kids think? Do they prefer living in Arizona or Michigan? If I was a kid again, I
would much rather be living in Arizona than Michigan, because I would be able to have a lot more
fun as a kid enjoying the warm weather and outdoor sports and recreational opportunities of
Arizona.
However, if the schools in Arizona are a lot worse than they are in other parts of the USA, why
does it appear that so many families with children are moving to Arizona from other parts of the
USA?
Ken
--- Loran Wilcox wrote:
> Bad news is the schools are better here so I'll be staying at least through
> till summer 2005 and my oldest gets out of high school. And maybe 3 years
> after that till my youngest is done. So for now and the near future I'll be
> caching in MI.
>
> Team Sand Dollar
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Regan L Smith"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
>
>
> > so the burning question is when ya planning on getting the 1000 new caches
> > in AZ?????
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Loran Wilcox"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
> >
> >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > What can I say. I an addict and can't go to long without a fix.
> > > Picked up some snow shoes today that I hope will make hiking a little
> > > easier.
> > >
> > > Team Sand Dollar
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Regan L Smith"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > good cuz I have know idea when I will get more,.. just noticed that
> you
> > > are
> > > > well over 1000 finds, congrats,!!!!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Loran Wilcox"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Misprint... The fish is NOW part of my signature collection.. No
> need
> > to
> > > > > send another.
> > > > >
> > > > > Team Sand Dollar
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Regan L Smith"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:12 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ahh ok well when we get more I will send you one just the
> same......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > though went to a cache yesterday and just followed the feet print
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > sand.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Loran Wilcox"
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:47 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is easier in the snow...unless your the one that makes the
> > tracks
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > cache. Then it is easier for everyone else.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The fish is not part of my collection of signature items.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Team Sand Dollar
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Regan L Smith"
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:17 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > umm wasn't it you that said it was easier to follow the foot
> > > prints
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > snow???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yeah Jeff made those shirts and I guess you have the only
> > official
> > > > > Team
> > > > > > > Evil
> > > > > > > > Fish signature item for now...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Loran Wilcox"
> > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:39 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Attended the TC Geocache Winter Convergence III (Michigan)
> > > > yesterday
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > acquired a couple of items. First I found a Team Evilfish
> > fish
> > > in
> > > > a
> > > > > > > cache
> > > > > > > > > and the I won the "got gps?" t-shirt. I believe Team360
> > donated
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > shirt..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think there was a conspiracy to make me miss the nice
> warm
> > > > > weather
> > > > > > > back
> > > > > > > > > there. Not to say the weather was sooooo! bad back
> > here.....20
> > > > > > degrees,
> > > > > > > > > snowing, and a foot and a half of snow on the ground. Make
> > > those
> > > > > ammo
> > > > > > > > boxes
> > > > > > > > > just a little harder to find.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Team Sand Dollar
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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<DIV>This is a big time can of worms. You really want to make schools better in Arizona? Kick out all the ESl students. Have each school distric have one school that dose nothing but ESL. that way teachers can focus on teaching instead of wasting time trying to teach the same stuff to to one group while the other group dosn't know what your saying. You can not lower your standards to the lowest common denomenator every year and hope your kids are learning anything. you have got to set the bar and raise them up to meet it. They also need to get rid of all the teachers Like the ones I had in High school who couldn't teach or didn't know how to get or keep control of the class or were just waiting for retirement. Also. Kick out the trouble makers. Keeping them in school only makes it harder on everyone else in the class. public school is a privalage. if your kid can't follow the rules or dosn't know ho
w to
act, find a private school that will take him or visit him in jail when he gets older. Don't force the school to keep kinds like that because it just brings things down and the kids that want to learn something can't because their teachers are too busy being baby sitters or translators to actually teach them something. Some of the best teachers I had dodn't take crap from anyone. If they couldn't keep a student in line, they got them out of the class and down to the office so someone else could deal with them. These people are teachers. they are not parole officers, not baby sitters, not your parents. If you didn't teach your kid how to act in public, don't expect them to tolerate your kid for acting up or disrupting their class. </DIV>
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<DIV>Why are Arizona schools the best? because the people doing the compairing are from places like Mexico or some place in South America where the schools suck worse than they do here.<BR><BR><B><I>Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Loran,<BR><BR>Why are the schools better where you live? Do you think it is because with cold, dreary weather,<BR>people stay inside to work harder and study more? Because of our great weather and scenery, we<BR>here in Arizona have a lot of distractions that may make us less productive in academic and<BR>working pursuits.<BR><BR>If the schools are truly better in Arizona, what could we in Arizona do to make our schools the<BR>best in the USA?<BR><BR>What do your kids think? Do they prefer living in Arizona or Michigan? If I was a kid again, I<BR>would much rather be living in Arizona than Michigan, because I would be able to have a lot more<BR>fun as a kid enjoying the warm weather and outdoor sports and recreational opportunities of<BR>Arizona.<BR><BR>However, if the schools in Arizona are a lot worse than they are in other parts of the USA, why<BR>does it appear that so man
y
families with children are moving to Arizona from other parts of the<BR>USA?<BR><BR>Ken<BR>--- Loran Wilcox <LORANWILCOX@CHARTERMI.NET>wrote:<BR>> Bad news is the schools are better here so I'll be staying at least through<BR>> till summer 2005 and my oldest gets out of high school. And maybe 3 years<BR>> after that till my youngest is done. So for now and the near future I'll be<BR>> caching in MI.<BR>> <BR>> Team Sand Dollar<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Regan L Smith" <BUGGERS@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:23 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > so the burning question is when ya planning on getting the 1000 new caches<BR>> > in AZ?????<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > From: "Loran Wilcox" <LORANWILCOX@CHARTERMI.NET><BR>> > To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>>
; >
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:11 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > Thanks!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > What can I say. I an addict and can't go to long without a fix.<BR>> > > Picked up some snow shoes today that I hope will make hiking a little<BR>> > > easier.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Team Sand Dollar<BR>> > ><BR>> > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > From: "Regan L Smith" <BUGGERS@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> > > To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:52 PM<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > > good cuz I have know idea when I will get more,.. just noticed that<BR>> you<BR>> > > are<BR>> > > > well over 1000 finds, congrats,!!!!<BR>> > > > -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> > > > From: "Loran Wilcox" <LORANWILCOX@CHARTERMI.NET><BR>> > > > To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:39 PM<BR>> > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > > Misprint... The fish is NOW part of my signature collection.. No<BR>> need<BR>> > to<BR>> > > > > send another.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Team Sand Dollar<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > > > From: "Regan L Smith" <BUGGERS@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> > > > > To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:12 PM<BR>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> > > > ><BR>> >
>
> ><BR>> > > > > > ahh ok well when we get more I will send you one just the<BR>> same......<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > though went to a cache yesterday and just followed the feet print<BR>> in<BR>> > > the<BR>> > > > > > sand.....<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > > > > From: "Loran Wilcox" <LORANWILCOX@CHARTERMI.NET><BR>> > > > > > To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:47 AM<BR>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > It is easier in the snow...unless your the one that makes the<BR>> > tracks<BR>> > > > to<BR>> > > > > > the<BR>>
; >
> > > > > cache. Then it is easier for everyone else.<BR>> > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > The fish is not part of my collection of signature items.<BR>> > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > Team Sand Dollar<BR>> > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > > > > > From: "Regan L Smith" <BUGGERS@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> > > > > > > To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:17 PM<BR>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > umm wasn't it you that said it was easier to follow the foot<BR>> > > prints<BR>> > > > in<BR>> > > > > &
gt;
the<BR>> > > > > > > > snow???<BR>> > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > Yeah Jeff made those shirts and I guess you have the only<BR>> > official<BR>> > > > > Team<BR>> > > > > > > Evil<BR>> > > > > > > > Fish signature item for now...<BR>> > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > > > > > > From: "Loran Wilcox" <LORANWILCOX@CHARTERMI.NET><BR>> > > > > > > > To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:39 AM<BR>> > > > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Greeting from the Cold!!!!!<BR>> > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > > Attended the TC Geocach
e Winter
Convergence III (Michigan)<BR>> > > > yesterday<BR>> > > > > > an<BR>> > > > > > > > > acquired a couple of items. First I found a Team Evilfish<BR>> > fish<BR>> > > in<BR>> > > > a<BR>> > > > > > > cache<BR>> > > > > > > > > and the I won the "got gps?" t-shirt. I believe Team360<BR>> > donated<BR>> > > > the<BR>> > > > > > > > shirt..<BR>> > > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > > I think there was a conspiracy to make me miss the nice<BR>> warm<BR>> > > > > weather<BR>> > > > > > > back<BR>> > > > > > > > > there. Not to say the weather was sooooo! bad back<BR>> > here.....20<BR>> > > > > > degrees,<BR>> > > > > > > > > snowing, and a foo
t and a
half of snow on the ground. Make<BR>> > > those<BR>> > > > > ammo<BR>> > > > > > > > boxes<BR>> > > > > > > > > just a little harder to find.<BR>> > > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > > Team Sand Dollar<BR>> > > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________<BR>> > > > > > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>> > > > > > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:<BR>> > > > > > > > ><BR>> > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching<BR>> > > > > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource<
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