[Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban caches

[Delora McCallister]

How eloquently put Bill
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>From: "EvilFISH" <EvilFish@cox.net>
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban 
>caches
>Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:19:57 -0700
>
>let me add hiding a cache with the intent of it being found....
>
>
>anyway
>
>back to work
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bill Nolan
>   To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:53 AM
>   Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban 
>caches
>
>
>   Ah yes, another controversy..   This is such an interesting group.  
>There are obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but some participants 
>feel threatened if you choose to enjoy it in some other way than their 
>favorite.  We have the Urban vs Rural, Micro vs Traditional, Hiders vs 
>Finders, and, of course, the Numbers People vs the No-Numbers People.  I'm 
>sure many of you can think of others.  Then we wonder why war is so common.
>
>
>
>   I have experienced this firsthand.  My wife and I choose not to log 
>caches, not because we think there is anything wrong with the numbers game, 
>but simply because we don't want to participate in that.  When I mentioned 
>that on this list, I received several private emails (from people still 
>active here) that could only be described as abusive and threatening.  Part 
>of that was because I was interviewed by a reporter from Phoenix who knew 
>me and knew I was active in the sport, and some here didn't think I had the 
>"numbers" to speak out like that.
>
>
>
>   Then we made our second mistake.  We placed a cache.  It wasn't anything 
>special, but the emails it brought me were even worse than the first batch. 
>  How dare I place a cache when my find numbers were so low?  It was 
>obvious I didn't have the experience to actually place a cache.  Well, I'm 
>a fast learner.  The other ammo cans I bought are still sitting, fully 
>stocked, out in my storage shed.  I didn't want to get any more nasty 
>emails.  Too bad.  We do a lot of 4-wheeling, and I have some good places 
>in mind.
>
>
>
>   Geocaching is a great sport, accessible to people of all ages and levels 
>of physical ability.  If it fails the test of time, it will be because of 
>people who think their way is the right way - the ONLY right way.
>
>
>
>   So, we will continue to play, our way.  We don't log our finds very 
>often, and we don't do urban caches.  Since we choose to live 8 miles 
>outside a very small town, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we avoid 
>cities.  We also quit hiding caches, so those of you here who jumped all 
>over us for the first one (you know who you are) - well, I'll give you a 
>win on that one.
>
>
>
>   Bill
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>   From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com 
>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:21 AM
>
>
>   Next time you place a cache......let's get back to what made us want to 
>go
>   geocaching in the first place."
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>   I had to respond to this one.
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>   This article was written by someone who wants to return to the days 
>where only physically fit people have access to caches. Like it or not, 
>other people have become geocachers. Physically unfit people have 
>discovered an activity they can enjoy. I dont see why both cache types cant 
>co-exist? Ive seen some nice rural caches, as well as junky ones. Same with 
>urban caches
>
>
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>   "Again, lately I have really been enjoying the occasional cache I have 
>found
>   as I have been really only doing wilderness hiking caches around Sedona.
>   They are my kind of fun."
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>   Thats great Scott, but it is not my idea of fun. Feel free to play your 
>way. I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever since falling down stairs 12 yrs 
>ago, I have not had the mobility I used to have. I would like to continue 
>to play the game my way without feeling like an unwelcome outsider.

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