[Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
EvilFISH
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Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:34:54 -0700
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April 6 by The Cow Spots (351 found)
TNLNSL from this well concealed cache, with a dash of azgeocaching.com =
controversy. LOL
the Italics and bold added by me :)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: RAND HARDIN=20
To: AZ-Geocaching=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
Hmmm. I had some time this morning, so I did a little research to =
quell my curiosity - and for those who are also curious: The event was =
the "Picacho Peak Hike, Geocaching and Picnic" event by "Highpointer," =
(GCHQC7) which was held March 14th.
There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to be =
given away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache - and =
the winner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the rules, or =
intent set forth by Highpointer in the cache description. Guests at the =
event also donated items for the cache. It appears that in the =
description, the intent (or rules) state: "The winner can place this =
geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a =
paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache."
The winner of the ammo can and contents was "golefts." This team or =
individual ended up placing the cache on April 4th. The cache name is =
"Missing Ticket" (GCJ3JH). Golefts ended up placing the cache in an =
urban setting instead of a non-urban setting.
The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (and made =
public to the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the cache =
wasn't placed as intended.
Rand
(RandMan)
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian - Team A.I.
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:41 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning my firesuit =
regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the =
flames.
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Koch, Dan=20
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? =
Am I missing something?
LazyK - Dan
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From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of =
PThomp9719@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ken@highpointer.com
Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
I consider your tone and the content of your recent email =
imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concerning the status =
of caches and travel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not =
appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and others) need your =
instruction and monitoring of their cache activities.
I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at =
the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family =
obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely =
manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it =
important to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could =
maintain it properly as a cache owner.
Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those =
on mountain tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is =
the idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to =
plumder it. The joy of geocaching is that there is something for =
everyone - serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, =
handicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban =
cache on a lunch hour.
If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache =
from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed =
it yourself in some remote area. This should not have then been a =
prize cache.
If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to =
you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I =
will replace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no =
ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be =
removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on =
instructions from the administrator.
Peggy Thompsen
Golefts
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>the Italics and bold added by me :)</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DRHrdn8@msn.com href=3D"mailto:RHrdn8@msn.com">RAND =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 =
12:25=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
Missing=20
Ticket cache</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hmmm. I had some time this morning, so I did a little =
research to=20
quell my curiosity - and for those who are also curious: The =
event was=20
the <STRONG>"Picacho Peak Hike, Geocaching and Picnic"</STRONG>=20
=
event by "Highpointer," <STRONG>(GCHQC7)</STRONG> whi=
ch=20
was held March 14th.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to =
be given=20
away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache =
- and=20
the winner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the rules, or =
intent set forth by Highpointer in the cache description. =
Guests at=20
the event also donated items for the cache. It appears that in =
the=20
description, the intent (or rules) state: "The winner can place this =
geocache=20
in any good <EM>non-urban</EM> location, at least 0.5 miles away =
from a=20
paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing =
cache."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The winner of the ammo can and contents was "golefts." This =
team or=20
individual ended up placing the cache on April 4th. The cache =
name is=20
<STRONG>"Missing Ticket" (GCJ3JH). </STRONG>Golefts ended up =
placing the=20
cache in an <EM>urban</EM> setting instead of a <EM>non-urban</EM>=20
setting.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (and made =
public=20
to the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the cache wasn't =
placed=20
as intended.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rand</DIV>
<DIV>(RandMan)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><STRONG>From:=20
Brian - Team A.I.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 =
9:41=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
Missing=20
Ticket cache</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><U>Apparently we are missing something</U>, but =
I'm=20
donning my firesuit regardless, because I don't want to be burned by =
radiating heat from the flames.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><STRONG>From:=20
</STRONG><A title=3DDan.Koch@Eclipsys.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Dan.Koch@Eclipsys.com"><STRONG>Koch, =
Dan</STRONG></A><STRONG>=20
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title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:'listserv@azgeocaching.com'">'listserv@azgeocaching.com'</=
A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, =
2004 9:17=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] Missing=20
Ticket cache</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D256121716-06042004><U>Anyone know what=20
this is about </U>and why it was brought 'public'? Am I =
missing=20
something?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN =
class=3D256121716-06042004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D256121716-06042004>LazyK =
-=20
Dan</SPAN></DIV>
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ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
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href=3D"mailto:ken@highpointer.com">ken@highpointer.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B>=
<A=20
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[Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">I consider your tone and the =
content of=20
your recent email imperious and insulting. As with =
previous emails=20
concerning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were =
not=20
your concern, I do not appreciate that you =
feel cachers =20
(myself and others) need your instruction and monitoring of =
their cache=20
activities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">I was under the assumption that =
the cache=20
won as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to =
place. Due=20
to recent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a =
remote area=20
in a timely manner. Rather than have it sit at my house =
any=20
longer, I felt it important to get it placed and necessary to =
place it=20
where I could maintain it properly as a cache =
owner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">Do not assume that urban =
caches are=20
more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should =
not be=20
placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that =
reaches a=20
remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching =
is that=20
there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers, family =
groups=20
with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher that =
runs out to=20
pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">If you had such serious =
restrictions for=20
the "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, =
perhaps=20
you should have placed it yourself in some remote=20
area. This should not have then been a prize=20
cache.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">If you send me your address, I =
will return=20
the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can =
(currently about=20
$5 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and =
maintain this=20
as a separate cache with no ties to you and will note such =
in a new=20
logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other than =
myself as=20
the cache owner or on instructions from the =
administrator.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">Peggy Thompsen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D"Kristen =
ITC">Golefts</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQU=
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