[Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
RAND HARDIN
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:25:13 -0700
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Hmmm. I had some time this morning, so I did a little research to quell =
my curiosity - and for those who are also curious: The event was the "Pi=
cacho Peak Hike, Geocaching and Picnic" event by "Highpointer," (GCHQC7) =
which was held March 14th.
There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to be given=
away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache - and the wi=
nner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the rules, or intent s=
et forth by Highpointer in the cache description. Guests at the event al=
so donated items for the cache. It appears that in the description, the =
intent (or rules) state: "The winner can place this geocache in any good =
non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a rem=
ote area without any nearby existing cache."
The winner of the ammo can and contents was "golefts." This team or indi=
vidual ended up placing the cache on April 4th. The cache name is "Missi=
ng Ticket" (GCJ3JH). Golefts ended up placing the cache in an urban sett=
ing instead of a non-urban setting.
The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (and made public t=
o the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the cache wasn't pla=
ced as intended.
Rand
(RandMan)
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian - Team A.I.
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:41 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning my firesuit regardle=
ss, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the flames.
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message ----- =20
From: Koch, Dan =20
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' =20
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I mis=
sing something?
LazyK - Dan
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching=
-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of PThomp9719@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ken@highpointer.com
Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
I consider your tone and the content of your recent email imperious and i=
nsulting. As with previous emails concerning the status of caches and tr=
avel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not appreciate that you=
feel cachers (myself and others) need your instruction and monitoring o=
f their cache activities.
I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at the Picacho=
Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family obligations, I was u=
nable to place it in a remote area in a timely manner. Rather than have =
it sit at my house any longer, I felt it important to get it placed and n=
ecessary to place it where I could maintain it properly as a cache owner.
Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on mountai=
n tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the idea tha=
t a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The =
joy of geocaching is that there is something for everyone - serious rock =
climbers, family groups with young children, handicapped cachers, or the =
cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour.
If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache from Pica=
cho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed it yoursel=
f in some remote area. This should not have then been a prize cache.
If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to you and =
the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I will rep=
lace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no ties to y=
ou and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be removed b=
y anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on instructions from the=
administrator.
Peggy Thompsen
Golefts
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<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff" STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;b=
ackground-color:#ffffff; "><DIV>Hmmm. I had some time this morning,=
so I did a little research to quell my curiosity - and for those who are=
also curious: The event was the <STRONG>"Picacho Peak Hike, Geocac=
hing and Picnic"</STRONG> event by "Highpointer," <STRONG>=
(GCHQC7)</STRONG> which was held March 14th.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>=
<DIV>There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to be=
given away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache -=
and the winner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the ru=
les, or intent set forth by Highpointer in the cache description.&nb=
sp; Guests at the event also donated items for the cache. It appear=
s that in the description, the intent (or rules) state: "The winner can p=
lace this geocache in any good <EM>non-urban</EM> location, at least=
0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby =
existing cache."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The winner of the ammo can =
and contents was "golefts." This team or individual ended up placin=
g the cache on April 4th. The cache name is <STRONG>"Missing Ticket=
" (GCJ3JH). </STRONG>Golefts ended up placing the cache in an <EM>u=
rban</EM> setting instead of a <EM>non-urban</EM> setting.</DIV> <DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV> <DIV>The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (an=
d made public to the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the c=
ache wasn't placed as intended.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rand</DIV> <=
DIV>(RandMan)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid=
; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><STRONG>----- Origi=
nal Message -----</STRONG></DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT:=
10pt Arial; COLOR: black"><STRONG>From: Brian - Team A.I.</STRONG></DIV>=
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:4=
1 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocachi=
ng.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geoc=
aching] Missing Ticket cache</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <META content=3D"MSH=
TML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT size=3D=
2><U>Apparently we are missing something</U>, but I'm donning my firesuit=
regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the=
flames.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT =
size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV> <D=
IV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDIN=
G-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIG=
HT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>----- Original Message =
----- </STRONG></DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial=
; font-color: black"><STRONG>From: </STRONG><A title=3DDan.Koch@Eclipsys.=
com href=3D"mailto:Dan.Koch@Eclipsys.com"><STRONG>Koch, Dan</STRONG></A><=
STRONG> </STRONG></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A tit=
le=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com href=3D"mailto:'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=
">'listserv@azgeocaching.com'</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">=
<B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10=
pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache</DIV> =
<DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D256121716-06042=
004><U>Anyone know what this is about </U>and why it was brought 'pu=
blic'? Am I missing something?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3D=
left><SPAN class=3D256121716-06042004></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D256121716-06042004>LazyK - Dan</SPAN></DIV> <D=
IV> </DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format --> <P> <HR tabIndex=
=3D-1> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:az-geo=
caching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azg=
eocaching.com</A> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] =
<B>On Behalf Of </B><A href=3D"mailto:PThomp9719@aol.com">PThomp9719@aol.=
com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ken@highpointer.com">ken@highpointer.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B>=
<A href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</=
A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache<BR></FONT><BR>=
</P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>=
<FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">I consider your tone and the content of your r=
ecent email imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concer=
ning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were not your conce=
rn, I do not appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and othe=
rs) need your instruction and monitoring of their cache activities.</FONT=
></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT fa=
ce=3D"Kristen ITC">I was under the assumption that the cache won as a dra=
wing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent fam=
ily obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely ma=
nner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it imp=
ortant to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain =
it properly as a cache owner.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC=
"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">Do not assume =
that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and the=
refor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cache=
r that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of ge=
ocaching is that there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers,=
family groups with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher th=
at runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour.</FONT></DIV> <D=
IV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kris=
ten ITC">If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache =
from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed i=
t yourself in some remote area. This should not have th=
en been a prize cache.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FON=
T> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">If you send me your addres=
s, I will return the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (=
currently about $5 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and=
maintain this as a separate cache with no ties to you and will note such=
in a new logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other t=
han myself as the cache owner or on instructions from the administrator.<=
/FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>&nb=
sp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">Peggy Thompsen</FONT></DIV> <DI=
V><FONT face=3D"Kristen ITC">Golefts</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT=
E></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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