[Az-Geocaching] summer fires
Gale Draper
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:10:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Yes, I was just thinking how hard it would be for any business to survive when the "reason" for being up there is essentially gone (trees/scenery).
It's a tragic loss for everyone, but I really feel for those whose livelihoods are on that mountain.
Andrew Ayre <andy@britishideas.com> wrote:
This is probably a contraversial view I know, but if I owned a business up there I would be hoping it burned down. Then I would get the insurance money and start a new life somewhere else. If your business survives, then you will have to make the best of it, which will probably be enough business at first from the curiosity seekers, then it will die away as people stop going up there and/or cannot get cabins built.
Andy
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From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:49 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] summer fires
At 11:32 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
According to the article in the Arizona Repugnant...uh...Republic yesterday (please consider the source), the Mount Lemmon Cafe was not destroyed by the fire. The article stated that they lost the roof to the patio and the plastic furniture melted but otherwise it made it through. Hopefully we'll be able to have pies there this winter after all! The Lodge next door was a total loss. Nothing but two feet of rubble remains.
It will be interesting to see what happens as a fallout of all this. I have seen some stories where Pima County says that they will make it tougher for the businesses to rebuild. There are problems with building codes, endangered species and ridge/summit codes down here. I have heard that the Forest Service has really been dragging it's feet on allowing people to rebuild their cabins. Instead of 99 year leases for the land they will only offer 20 year leases and people can't get mortgages to build on land that they do not own. From what I have read, the FS has yet to issue a permit in California to rebuild any cabins from fires over the last few years.
Only time will tell what happens up there, but the one thing that I think we can be sure of is that the mountain will never be the same.
Scott
scott@myblueheaven.com
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Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898
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<DIV>Yes, I was just thinking how hard it would be for any business to survive when the "reason" for being up there is essentially gone (trees/scenery).</DIV>
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<DIV>It's a tragic loss for everyone, but I really feel for those whose livelihoods are on that mountain.<BR><BR><B><I>Andrew Ayre <andy@britishideas.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=814125418-23062003>This is probably a contraversial view I know, but if I owned a business up there I would be hoping it burned down. Then I would get the insurance money and start a new life somewhere else. If your business survives, then you will have to make the best of it, which will probably be enough business at first from the curiosity seekers, then it will die away as people stop going up there and/or cannot get cabins built.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Scott Wood<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 23, 2003 11:49 AM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] summer fires<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>At 11:32 AM 6/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=arial color=#0000ff size=2>According to the article in the Arizona Repugnant...uh...Republic yesterday (please consider the source), the Mount Lemmon Cafe was not destroyed by the fire. The article stated that they lost the roof to the patio and the plastic furniture melted but otherwise it made it through. Hopefully we'll be able to have pies there this winter after all! The Lodge next door was a total loss. Nothing but two feet of rubble remains. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It will be interesting to see what happens as a fallout of all this. I have seen some stories where Pima County says that they will make it tougher for the businesses to rebuild. There are problems with building codes, endangered species and ridge/summit codes down here. I have heard that the Forest Service has really been dragging it's feet on allowing people to rebuild their cabins. Instead of 99 year leases
for the land they will only offer 20 year leases and people can't get mortgages to build on land that they do not own. From what I have read, the FS has yet to issue a permit in California to rebuild any cabins from fires over the last few years.<BR><BR>Only time will tell what happens up there, but the one thing that I think we can be sure of is that the mountain will never be the same. <BR><BR>
<DIV>Scott</DIV><BR>
<DIV>scott@myblueheaven.com</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.myblueheaven.com/" EUDORA="AUTOURL">www.myblueheaven.com</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><DIV><FONT color=#6633cc>Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes<BR> On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:<BR>"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --<BR> "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#6633cc>Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898</FONT></DIV><p><hr SIZE=1>
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