[Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches
Jeff Moriarty
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:51:57 -0700
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MessageWell said! I agree with you completely, and hope that we find a =
way to work with the rangers rather than against them. =20
Jeff.
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From: Team Tierra Buena=20
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches
I've been trying to avoid this thread, but I've had a few private =
emails in addition to what's been posted on the listserver, so I'm going =
to quote myself, and reuse part of a reply I sent to another cacher, =
because I haven't seen this point of view surface here yet:
I think the rangers had every right to do what they did. I have two =
reasons for that view. Number one, designated wilderness areas have =
always been off-limits to cache placement. Even Scott Wood, who welcomes =
caches in Tonto, excluded designated wilderness areas, and the =
Superstitions, including the entire area around the Peralta Trail, are =
so designated. Number two, we have been preaching since the September =
meeting, and geocaching.com has been preaching forever, that hiders =
should obtain permission. AZSaluki's post gave me the impression that =
the rangers weren't against Geocaching per se, but they sure knew that =
the caches had been placed without consent. So I don't see that the =
Geocaching community has any argument.=20
That may not be a popular view, especially on the listserver, but I =
think it is the correct view. If I owned one of those caches, I'd be =
down in Mesa as fast as I could be, to retrieve the ammo can, hand =
deliver a personal letter of apology, and find out who to talk to about =
obtaining permission for a possible future placement. But I think trying =
to "push back" on those that were confiscated will do nothing except =
alienate us further in the eyes of those who make these decisions.
Geocaching doesn't have a lot of rules; it's time we started playing =
by the few we do have.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well said! I agree with you =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 21, 2003 =
10:49=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] =
Superstition=20
Caches</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D967325116-21012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">I've =
been trying=20
to avoid this thread, but I've had a few private emails in addition to =
what's=20
been posted on the listserver, so I'm going to quote myself, and reuse =
part of=20
a reply I sent to another cacher, because I haven't seen this point of =
view=20
surface here yet:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D967325116-21012003><FONT=20
face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D967325116-21012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>I think the rangers had every right to do what =
they did. I=20
have two reasons for that view. Number one, designated wilderness =
areas have=20
always been off-limits to cache placement. Even Scott Wood, who =
welcomes=20
caches in Tonto, excluded designated wilderness areas, and the =
Superstitions,=20
including the entire area around the Peralta Trail, are so designated. =
Number=20
two, we have been preaching since the September meeting, and =
geocaching.com=20
has been preaching forever, that hiders should obtain permission. =
AZSaluki's=20
post gave me the impression that the rangers weren't against =
Geocaching per=20
se, but they sure knew that the caches had been placed without =
consent. So I=20
don't see that the Geocaching community has any argument.</FONT>=20
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT=20
face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>That may not be a popular view, especially on the =
listserver,=20
but I think it is the correct view. If I owned one of those caches, =
I'd be=20
down in Mesa as fast as I could be, to retrieve the ammo can, hand =
deliver a=20
personal letter of apology, and find out who to talk to about =
obtaining=20
permission for a possible future placement. But I think trying to =
"push back"=20
on those that were confiscated will do nothing except alienate us =
further in=20
the eyes of those who make these decisions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Geocaching doesn't have a lot of rules; it's time we =
started=20
playing by the few we do have.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><SPAN =
class=3D967325116-21012003><FONT=20
face=3D"Book Antiqua">Steve</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><SPAN =
class=3D967325116-21012003><FONT=20
face=3D"Book Antiqua">Team Tierra=20
Buena</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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