[Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches

Joe Brekke listserv@azgeocaching.com
Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:20:06 -0700


This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C2C179.B9A81840
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Message
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Team Tierra Buena=20
  To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:49 AM
  Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches



  That may not be a popular view, especially on the listserver, but I =
think it is the correct view. If I owned one of those caches, I'd be =
down in Mesa as fast as I could be, to retrieve the ammo can, hand =
deliver a personal letter of apology, and find out who to talk to about =
obtaining permission for a possible future placement. But I think trying =
to "push back" on those that were confiscated will do nothing except =
alienate us further in the eyes of those who make these decisions.

  Geocaching doesn't have a lot of rules; it's time we started playing =
by the few we do have.


  I'm going to go there tomorrow and retrieve our cache.  Mind you I =
have no problem with what they did, they are perfectly within their =
right to do this.  I doubt I'll take the time to print out a letter of =
apology, but I will talk to whoever is there, and apologize to them for =
not getting a permit and find out if I can get one, either now or in the =
future.  I placed this almost a year ago, (at the time was blatantly =
ignorant on many of the issues) and really most of the discussion we =
have had about this was since the article in the Republic...it may not =
be a correct view, and in fact I'm willing to admit that it isn't but I =
kind of figured as long as no one was saying anything about it, this =
cache was being "Grandfathered" in, so to speak. =20

  I wonder how many caches out there on Nat'l Forest Land, BLM land, =
etc., even the Goldwater area...were considered "Grandfathered" by the =
owners...in other words, it's already there, and no one has removed it, =
I don't need to do anything. =20

  I'd be willing to bet that there are at least 400 caches in city parks =
in Arizona...which is public land, I doubt very many of those owners =
have gotten permission to place those as well - I have one in a city =
park and did not get permission.  I'm not saying this is correct.  I =
would also be willing to bet that out of 1133 active caches in Arizona, =
at least 80% of them don't have permission from the proper agency to =
have them there...a street light pole is public property, so are signs, =
benches, dog poop disposal units, garbage cans, electrical equipment, =
playground equipment, and trees in a public park, a light pole in a =
store parking lot is private property, so is a fence...I've found over =
300 caches, I could go on and on.  Many caches are located at these =
sights, or they have permanent ink writting on them giving coordinates =
for the next leg of a multi-cache.

  I'd say that held to the standard of obtain permission on all public =
or private property, most of us would have a lot of letters and work to =
do in the next few weeks.

  Thanks,

  Joe
  TeamBlunder



------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C2C179.B9A81840
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net">Team Tierra Buena</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Daz-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching@lis=
tserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 21, 2003 =
10:49=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] =
Superstition=20
  Caches</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D967325116-21012003><SPAN =
class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT=20
  face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
  color=3D#0000ff>That may not be a popular view, especially on the =
listserver,=20
  but I think it is the correct view. If I owned one of those caches, =
I'd be=20
  down in Mesa as fast as I could be, to retrieve the ammo can, hand =
deliver a=20
  personal letter of apology, and find out who to talk to about =
obtaining=20
  permission for a possible future placement. But I think trying to =
"push back"=20
  on those that were confiscated will do nothing except alienate us =
further in=20
  the eyes of those who make these decisions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
  color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
  color=3D#0000ff>Geocaching doesn't have a lot of rules; it's time we =
started=20
  playing by the few we do have.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm =
going to go=20
  there tomorrow and retrieve our cache.&nbsp; Mind you I have no =
problem with=20
  what they did, they are perfectly within their right to do this.&nbsp; =
I doubt=20
  I'll take the time to print out a letter of apology, but I will talk =
to=20
  whoever is there, and apologize to them for not getting a permit and =
find out=20
  if I can get one, either now or in the future.&nbsp; I placed this =
almost a=20
  year ago, (at the time was blatantly ignorant on many of the issues) =
and=20
  really most of the discussion we have had about this was since the =
article in=20
  the Republic...it may not be a correct view, and in fact I'm willing =
to admit=20
  that it isn't but I kind of figured as long as no one was saying =
anything=20
  about it, this cache was being "Grandfathered" in, so to speak.&nbsp;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =
wonder how many=20
  caches out there on Nat'l Forest Land, BLM land, etc., even the =
Goldwater=20
  area...were considered "Grandfathered" by the owners...in other words, =
it's=20
  already there, and no one has removed it, I don't need to do =
anything.&nbsp;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd =
be willing to=20
  bet that there are at least 400 caches in city parks in =
Arizona...which=20
  <STRONG>is</STRONG> public land, I doubt very many of those owners =
have gotten=20
  permission to place those as well - I have one in a city park and did =
not get=20
  permission.&nbsp; I'm not saying this is correct.&nbsp;&nbsp;I would =
also be=20
  willing to bet that out of 1133 active caches in Arizona, at least 80% =
of them=20
  don't have permission from the proper agency to have them there...a =
street=20
  light pole is public property, so are signs, benches, dog =
poop&nbsp;disposal=20
  units,&nbsp;garbage cans, electrical equipment, playground equipment, =
and=20
  trees&nbsp;in a public park, a light pole in a store parking lot is =
private=20
  property, so is a fence...I've found over 300 caches, I could go on =
and=20
  on.&nbsp; Many caches are located at these sights, or they have =
permanent ink=20
  writting on them giving coordinates for the next leg of a=20
  multi-cache.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd =
say that held=20
  to the standard of obtain permission on all public or private =
property, most=20
  of us would have a lot of letters and work to do in the next few=20
  weeks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>Joe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>TeamBlunder</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D664314223-20012003><FONT face=3DArial=20
  =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
L>

------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C2C179.B9A81840--