[Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force: Mission Briefing

Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:09:42 -0700

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Bill,

Wow, thanks for pointing that out! Truth to tell, we haven't used the
GPS coordinates in the book very much; we're usually fine with the
directions and maps, and in fact they only list the coordinates to two
decimal places (I added the zeroes because everyone here usually expects
to see three places).

I agree with you about the book. It *was* how we got off-road before we
discovered Geocaching. I think it belongs in just about any Arizona
cacher's library, or the library of anyone who enjoys exploring the back
roads of the Grand Canyon State. 
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Burkett
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 9:27 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force: Mission
Briefing

One word about the coordinates listed in the BACKCOUNTRY book:  they use
the NAD27 datum.  Geocaching.com uses WGS84 datum.  Not sure if you took
that into account in the coordinates in your text file, Steve, but I
thought I'd mention it.  The results using the "wrong" datum will make
in your GPS receiver aren't critical, but they can bite you.

BTW, the BACKCOUNTRY book is terrific!  It's great fun to take one of
their trips and pick up caches along the way.

I sure would like to come with you guys on El Camino, but I'm not sure
the Mighty RAV is that mighty.  It'll be great to hear how the road is.

Happy hunting, all!

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Team
Tierra Buena
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 8:56 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force: Mission
Briefing

This is going to be somewhat long. If you're not planning on joining us
next week for the El Camino del Diablo expedition, you can probably skip
this posting.

We will be meeting next Sunday, January 19, at 8:30 AM at the Wellton
entrance gate to the Barry M. Goldwater Range (BMGR). Directions below.
We will probably enter the range very soon after 8:30, so if you are
late you will have to enter on your own and catch up to us. However, we
will wait for you if you can reach us by radio (FRS or CB: Channels 2
and 12, Amateur: 146.52 simplex).

Important reminders:

All adults (18+) must have an individual permit. Search the email
archives on azgeocaching.com for more information on how to obtain a
permit.

Fill up your gas tank in Wellton. There are no services within BMGR.

Bring sufficient food and water.

Don't forget to call the telephone number you were given when you
received your permit to advise them of the required information, and to
receive any information on travel restrictions for the period you tell
them you plan to be in BMGR. Call before you leave in the morning. The
number is staffed 24/7, and there is no guarantee of any cellular phone
coverage, even at the gate.

Directions:

After driving myself nuts trying to get the columns to line up even in
plain text, I decided instead to attach a text file with the directions.
You can line them up on your own computers if necessary.

Finally, since someone asked in an earlier post, you may be interested
to know that the authors rate the difficulty of the road a 4 on a a
scale of 1-10 high. They define Difficulty 4 as: "High-clearance 4WDs
are recommended, though most stock SUVs are acceptable. Expect a rough
road surface with rocks larger than 6 inches, but there will be a
reasonable driving line available. Patches of mud are possible but can
be readily negotiated; sand may be deep and require lower tire
pressures. There may be steam crossings up to 12 inches deep,
substantial sections of single-lane shelf road, moderate grades, and
sections of moderately loose road surface."

Using a similar scale, they rate the scenic attractiveness at 9.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave
Barry

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D380540205-13012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D380540205-13012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D380540205-13012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
color=3D#0000ff>Wow,=20
thanks for pointing that out! Truth to tell, we haven't used the GPS =
coordinates=20
in the book very much; we're usually fine with the directions and maps, =
and in=20
fact they only list the coordinates to two decimal places (I added the =
zeroes=20
because everyone here usually expects to see three =
places).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D380540205-13012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D380540205-13012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
color=3D#0000ff>I=20
agree with you about the book. It *was* how we got off-road before we =
discovered=20
Geocaching. I think it belongs in just about any Arizona cacher's =
library, or=20
the library of anyone who enjoys exploring the back roads of the Grand =
Canyon=20
State.
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">Steve<BR>Team Tierra=20
Buena<BR></FONT><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D296575623-28102002><FONT=20
face=3D"Book Antiqua" size=3D3><EM>There is a very fine line between =
"hobby" and=20
"mental illness". </EM></FONT></FONT><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">-- Dave =

Barry</SPAN></P></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
  [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On Behalf Of =

Bill Burkett Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 9:27=20
 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE:=20
 [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force: Mission=20
 Briefing </DIV>
 <DIV class=3DSection1>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">One=20
 word about the coordinates listed in the BACKCOUNTRY book:<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; they use the NAD27 =
datum.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Geocaching.com uses WGS84 =
datum.<SPAN=20
 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; Not sure if you took that =
into account=20
 in the coordinates in your text file, Steve, but I thought I&#8217;d =
mention=20
 it.&nbsp; The results using =
the &#8220;wrong&#8221;=20
 datum will make in your GPS receiver aren&#8217;t critical, but they =
can bite=20
 you.<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt"><![if =
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 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">BTW,=20
 the BACKCOUNTRY book is terrific!&nbsp;=20
 It&#8217;s great fun to take one of their trips and pick up =
caches along the=20
 way.<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
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 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">I sure=20
 would like to come with you guys on El Camino, but I&#8217;m not sure =
the Mighty RAV=20
 is that mighty.&nbsp; =
It&#8217;ll be great to=20
 hear how the road is.<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
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 <SPAN=20
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 hunting, all!<o:p></o:p>
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 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">-----Original=20
 Message----- From:=20
 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of Team Tierra=20
 Buena Sent: Sunday, =
January=20
 12, 2003 8:56 PM To:=20
 az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino del=20
 Diablo Strike Force: Mission Briefing
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]><![endif]>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>
 <SPAN=20
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'">This is=20
 going to be somewhat long. If you're not planning on joining us next =
week for=20
 the El Camino del Diablo expedition, you can probably skip this=20
 posting. We will be meeting next Sunday, January 19, at 8:30 AM =
at the=20
 Wellton entrance gate to the Barry M. Goldwater Range (BMGR). =
Directions=20
 below. We will probably enter the range very soon after 8:30, so if =
you are=20
 late you will have to enter on your own and catch up to us. However, =
we will=20
 wait for you if you can reach us by radio (FRS or CB: Channels 2 and =
12,=20
 Amateur: 146.52 simplex). Important=20
 reminders: All adults (18+) must have =
an=20
 individual permit. Search the email archives on azgeocaching.com for =
more=20
 information on how to obtain a permit. Fill up your gas tank in =

  Wellton. There are no services within BMGR.<BR><BR>Bring sufficient =
food and=20
  water.<BR><BR>Don't forget to call the telephone number you were given =
when=20
  you received your permit to advise them of the required information, =
and to=20
  receive any information on travel restrictions for the period you tell =
them=20
  you plan to be in BMGR. Call before you leave in the morning. The =
number is=20
  staffed 24/7, and there is no guarantee of any cellular phone =
coverage, even=20
  at the =
gate.<BR><BR><STRONG><B><U>Directions:</U></B></STRONG><B><U><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR></SPAN></U></B><BR>After driving =
myself nuts=20
  trying to get the columns to line up even in plain text, I decided =
instead to=20
  attach a text file with the directions. You can line them up on your =
own=20
  computers if necessary.<BR><BR><BR>Finally, since someone asked in an =
earlier=20
  post, you may be interested to know that the authors rate the =
difficulty of=20
  the road a 4 on a a scale of 1-10 high. They define Difficulty 4 as:=20
  "High-clearance 4WDs are recommended, though most stock SUVs are =
acceptable.=20
  Expect a rough road surface with rocks larger than 6 inches, but there =
will be=20
  a reasonable driving line available. Patches of mud are possible but =
can be=20
  readily negotiated; sand may be deep and require lower tire pressures. =
There=20
  may be steam crossings up to 12 inches deep, substantial sections of=20
  single-lane shelf road, moderate grades, and sections of moderately =
loose road=20
  surface."<BR><BR>Using a similar scale, they rate the scenic =
attractiveness at=20
  9.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3Dblack size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book =
Antiqua'">Steve<BR>Team=20
  Tierra Buena<BR><EM><I>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and =
"mental=20
  illness". </I></EM>-- Dave Barry</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Book Antiqua'; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML=
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