[Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different Folks
Jeff Moriarty
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:52:49 -0700
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I just can't believe the attitude of some of the Geocachers in this =
state. I pulled out of this mailing list for a while out of =
frustration, and returned to find little had changed. =20
The folks at Geocaching.com do not own the sport of geocaching, but they =
do own their site and are 100% within their rights to decide what rules =
to impose on caches that they allow to be posted. None of us has a =
"right" to circumvent their rules if we disagree, and should be honoring =
their rules out of respect for what they have done for our hobby. I =
also think anyone who has found over 20 caches and isn't a charter =
member should be ashamed of themselves, but that's another thread.
That said, I see nothing wrong with the idea of a Couple/Adults Only =
cache. So if Geocaching.com won't post it, then post the info for it on =
your personal web site and list your site in your profile on =
Geocaching.com. Or go to one of the several other Geocaching web sites =
out there and support them instead. But if you disagree with =
Geocaching.com's decision then discuss it, plead your case, etc., but =
please behave like an adult and honor their final decision.
Jeff.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brian LaFrance=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different =
Folks
Submit the cache as a normal cache and then modify the listing once it =
is approved...
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:09 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different =
Folks=20
We recently read comments regarding caches being listed for =
different types of objectives including off road caches, etc. I believe =
it was Team Tierra Buena who mentioned pet friendly caches, kid friendly =
caches, handicap accessible caches, etc. It is our recent experience =
that EVERY cache must be "kid" orientated or the reviewers of submitted =
caches will invoke their own personal belief system and reject the cache =
for posting.
A little background, we have been geocaching for quite a long =
period in geocaching terms and enjoyed a wide variety of caches. In many =
cases we enjoy the hunt of urban caches with our children. At times when =
the kids are with grandmother we go after more challenging caches. In =
the last 6 months we have seemingly noticed a change in the quality of =
items left in caches. In the "good old days" the items left were unique =
and a lot of fun. With the rush to find 100's of caches people no longer =
can afford unique items and find a lot of "happy meal" items left in =
caches. It was over a few beers with hubby that we thought we would try =
something new - A Couples Only Cache. A cache designed by a couple for =
other couples. As the title implies this cache was designed for other =
like-minded couples who wanted to add a bit of spice to geocaching. =
Unique and fun novelty items were include! d in the cache. To insure =
this cache could not be found by underage children it is located way out =
in the desert with no houses within 15 miles of the site. The cache and =
description is clearly marked "For Adults Only"
Upon submitting our cache location we were informed by the =
geocache reviewer that if a cache is not for kids and the entire family =
it is not an appropriate geocache and thus not be listed. I would hate =
to think that a few narrowed minded people are in control of what a =
geocache should or should not be. If someone has personal objections to =
an adult type cache - don't go search for it! Although the same =
narrow-minded people may find the content "objectionable=14 it is far =
from pornographic.=20
We would like to get opinions from the real geocachers on this =
web site. For those of you have a interest in locating the cache it is =
located in the Avra Valley area just a few miles away from other caches =
in the desert that include - The Prize, Sawtooth, Lost Point, etc. An =
interesting side note this location appears to be a "swamp land" sale. =
We found it over 18 months ago and nothing has changed. There are three =
ways into the area and it is all dirt roads but does not require 4 =
wheel. We came in from Avra Valley road. Look forward to the geocaching =
community=12s comments.
Coyote Springs - A Cache Designed By and for Fun Couples Only!
N 32.32.108
W 111.35.179
1st Turn Off - Actually this takes you down the natural gas =
pipeline.
N 32. 29.860
W 111.29.920
2nd Turn Off
N 32.32.047
W 111.32.226
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1. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
2. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force =
(barry.neely@prudential.com)
3. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
4. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
5. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
6. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
7. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force =
(barry.neely@prudential.com)
8. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
9. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
10. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike! Force (Scott Wood)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:02:03 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing. =
Any thought of
>going out on Sat and staying the night? Do not want to rush =
the fun of
>finding.
I have been thinking about doing just that. We are looking =
at a 3 hour=20
trip from Tucson. That makes for a pretty early departure =
time and a late=20
return. Makes for a very full day. We might head up on =
Saturday, hit some=20
of the caches around Yuma, and then meet everyone on Sunday =
morning.
Haven't really decided yet, but that is the idea we are =
kicking around.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 2
From: barry.neely@prudential.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:57:53 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Scott,
What kind of distance are we talking about with out the side =
trip to Yuma?
Hiker
Scott Wood=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent by: cc:=20
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force=20
com=20
Thursday January 9, 2003 01:02 PM=20
Please respond to listserv=20
At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing. =
Any thought of
>going out on Sat and staying the night? Do not want to rush =
the fun of
>finding.
I have been thinking about doing just that. We are looking =
at a 3 hour
trip f! rom Tucson. That makes for a pretty early departure =
time and a late
return. Makes for a very full day. We might head up on =
Saturday, hit some
of the caches around Yuma, and then meet everyone on Sunday =
morning.
Haven't really decided yet, but that is the idea we are =
kicking around.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:59:30 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 01:57 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>What kind of distance are! we talking about with out the =
side trip to Yuma?
I'm not really sure what you mean, but it looks like it is =
218 miles from=20
my driveway to Welton. I am not sure how many miles it is =
from Welton into=20
the caches.
It does look like there are a number of caches around Yuma =
and Welton that=20
might make heading up a day early worthwhile.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 4
From: "Team Tierra Buena"=20
To:=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:02:42 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> I am targeting going and getting my=20
> permit on Friday. I think that there is a place closer and =
> not as hard to get to than the one down town.
That would be the BLM office at 21605 N. 7th Ave. N 33 =
40.940 W112
04.933.
! > It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of =
thing.=20
> Any thought of going out on Sat and staying the night?=20
Another reason I don't favor convoys. Some may well want to =
do that,
others wouldn't hear of it. Judi and I may drive down to =
Yuma on
Saturday and stay over, but we're still discussing the =
additional
expense. As Judi has to work on Saturday, though, we'd get =
there too
late for any Saturday caching .
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental =
illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:38:37 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 03:02 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Saturday and stay over, but we're still discussing the =
additional
>expense. As Judi has t! o work on Saturday, though, we'd =
get there too
>late for any Saturday caching .
As I said in a previous message, we are also thinking about =
heading down on=20
Saturday and finding some of the area caches. Probably won't =
leave Tucson=20
too early though. If you do decide to head down Saturday =
evening, we will=20
have to get together for a drink.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 6
From: "Team Tierra Buena"=20
To:=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:44:20 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> I am not sure how many miles it is=20
> from Welton into=20
> the caches.
If I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife =
service map
I got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles from =
Wellton to TuleWell, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on =
everything I've read
and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything other than =
a full tank
of petrol is foolhardy.
Speaking of getting gassed, if we're there Saturday night, =
you're on for
that drink, Scott!
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental =
illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 7
From: barry.neely@prudential.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:34:48 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking =
about doing some
camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, =
maybe do a cache
on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??
Hiker
"Team Tierra Buena"=20
To:=20
cc:=20
Sent by: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo =
Strike Force=20
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.=20
com=20
Thursday January 9, 2003 03:44 PM=20
Please respond to listserv=20
> I am not sure how many miles it is
> from Welton into
> the caches.
If I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife =
service map
I got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles from =
Wellton to Tule
Well, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on =
everything I've read
and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything other than =
a full tank
of petrol is foolhardy.
Speaking of getting gassed, if we're there Saturday night, =
you're on for
that drink, Scott!
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental =
illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:47:34 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking =
about doing some
>camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, =
maybe do a cache
>on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??
I think our camping will be in a hotel/motel. While I am not =
opposed to=20
the idea of camping, we are going to be in the FJ-40 and =
space is a real=20
premium, so camping hear will be staying at home.
Scott
Team My Blue Heaven
www.myblueheaven.com! /geocache
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Message: 9
From: "Team Tierra Buena"=20
To:=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:13:03 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>=20
> When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking=20
> about doing some camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a =
> nice base camp, maybe do a cache on Sat and then the rest =
on=20
> Sunday. Any one interested??
I would be, but not as interested as I am uninterested in =
pitching a
tent at 9 PM after driving in the dark for two-and-a-half =
hours. So,
like Scott, if we come down Saturday, we will be at Camp =
Ramada or
something similar.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental =
illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:38:4! 4 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood=20
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike =
Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking =
about doing some
>camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, =
maybe do a cache
>on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??
Even though we won't be camping, if we do come down on =
Saturday, we would=20
be interested in getting together to find some caches. I =
haven't taken any=20
time yet to plan out a possible Saturday cache trip, but =
will. I have been=20
busy planning a Sunday/Monday trip to Phoenix.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just can't believe the attitude of =
some of the=20
Geocachers in this state. I pulled out of this mailing list for a =
while=20
out of frustration, and returned to find little had changed. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The folks at Geocaching.com do not own =
the sport of=20
geocaching, but they do own their site and are 100% within their rights =
to=20
decide what rules to impose on caches that they allow to be =
posted. None=20
of us has a "right" to circumvent their rules if we disagree, and should =
be=20
honoring their rules out of respect for what they have done for our =
hobby. =20
I also think anyone who has found over 20 caches and isn't a charter =
member=20
should be ashamed of themselves, but that's another thread.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That said, I see nothing wrong with the =
idea of a=20
Couple/Adults Only cache. So if Geocaching.com won't post it, then =
post=20
the info for it on your personal web site and list your site in your =
profile on=20
Geocaching.com. Or go to one of the several other Geocaching web =
sites out=20
there and support them instead. But if you disagree with =
Geocaching.com's=20
decision then discuss it, plead your case, etc., but please behave =
like an=20
adult and honor their final decision.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbrian@brianlafrance.com =
href=3D"mailto:brian@brianlafrance.com">Brian=20
LaFrance</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 10, 2003 =
6:24=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Caches -=20
Different Strokes For Different Folks</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D175492201-11012003><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Submit =
the cache as=20
a normal cache and then modify the listing once it is=20
approved...</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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=
href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocachi=
ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>Mark<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 10, 2003 6:09 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A><B=
R><B>Subject:</B>=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We recently read =
comments=20
regarding caches being listed for different types of =
objectives=20
including off road caches, etc. I believe it was Team Tierra =
Buena who=20
mentioned pet friendly caches, kid friendly caches, handicap=20
accessible caches, etc. It is our recent experience that EVERY =
cache=20
must be "kid" orientated or the reviewers of submitted caches =
will=20
invoke their own personal belief system and reject the cache =
for=20
posting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A little =
background, we=20
have been geocaching for quite a long period in geocaching =
terms and=20
enjoyed a wide variety of caches. In many cases we enjoy the =
hunt of=20
urban caches with our children. At times when the kids are =
with=20
grandmother we go after more challenging caches. In the last 6 =
months=20
we have seemingly noticed a change in the quality of items =
left in=20
caches. In the "good old days" the items left were unique and =
a lot of=20
fun. With the rush to find 100's of caches people no longer =
can afford=20
unique items and find a lot of "happy meal" items left in =
caches. It=20
was over a few beers with hubby that we thought we would try =
something=20
new - A Couples Only Cache. A cache designed by a couple for =
other=20
couples. As the title implies this cache was designed for =
other=20
like-minded couples who wanted to add a bit of spice to =
geocaching.=20
Unique and fun novelty items were include! d in the cache. To =
insure=20
this cache could not be found by underage children it is =
located way=20
out in the desert with no houses within 15 miles of the site. =
The=20
cache and description is clearly marked "For Adults=20
Only"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Upon submitting =
our cache=20
location we were informed by the geocache reviewer that if a =
cache is=20
not for kids and the entire family it is not an appropriate =
geocache=20
and thus not be listed. I would hate to think that a few =
narrowed=20
minded people are in control of what a geocache should or =
should not=20
be. If someone has personal objections to an adult type cache =
- don't=20
go search for it! Although the same narrow-minded people may =
find the=20
content "objectionable=14 it is far from pornographic.=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We would like to =
get=20
opinions from the real geocachers on this web site. For those =
of you=20
have a interest in locating the cache it is located in the =
Avra Valley=20
area just a few miles away from other caches in the desert =
that=20
include - The Prize, Sawtooth, Lost Point, etc. An interesting =
side=20
note this location appears to be a "swamp land" sale. We found =
it over=20
18 months ago and nothing has changed. There are three ways =
into the=20
area and it is all dirt roads but does not require 4 wheel. We =
came in=20
from Avra Valley road. Look forward to the geocaching =
community=12s=20
comments.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Coyote Springs - =
A Cache=20
Designed By and for Fun Couples Only!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">N 32.32.108<BR>W =
111.35.179<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1st Turn Off - =
Actually=20
this takes you down the natural gas =
pipeline.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">N 32.=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">W=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2nd Turn=20
Off<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">N=20
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mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">W=20
111.32.226</SPAN><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--- On Fri 01/10, <=20
az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > =
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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orange 2px solid"><B>From:=20
</B>[mailto:=20
az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<BR><B>To:=20
</B>az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Date: =
</B>Fri, 10=20
Jan 2003 12:05:07 -0700<BR><B>Subject: </B>Az-Geocaching =
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specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching=20
digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. RE: El =
Camino del=20
Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)<BR>2. RE: El Camino del =
Diablo=20
Strike Force (barry.neely@prudential.com)<BR>3. RE: El =
Camino del=20
Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)<BR>4. RE: El Camino del =
Diablo=20
Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)<BR>5. RE: El Camino del =
Diablo=20
Strike Force (Scott Wood)<BR>6. RE: El Camino del Diablo =
Strike=20
Force (Team Tierra Buena)<BR>7. RE: El Camino del Diablo =
Strike=20
Force (barry.neely@prudential.com)<BR>8. RE: El Camino del =
Diablo=20
Strike Force (Scott Wood)<BR>9. RE: El Camino del Diablo =
Strike=20
Force (Team Tierra Buena)<BR>10. RE: El Camino del Diablo =
Strike!=20
Force (Scott Wood)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: =
1<BR>Date: Thu,=20
09 Jan 2003 13:02:03 -0700<BR>To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From:=20
Scott Wood <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: =
[Az-Geocaching]=20
El Camino del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, =
you=20
wrote:<BR><BR>>It sounds like we are making this a one =
day kind=20
of thing. Any thought of<BR>>going out on Sat and staying =
the=20
night? Do not want to rush the fun =
of<BR>>finding.<BR><BR>I have=20
been thinking about doing just that. We are looking at a 3 =
hour=20
<BR>trip from Tucson. That makes for a pretty early =
departure time=20
and a late <BR>return. Makes for a very full day. We might =
head up=20
on Saturday, hit some <BR>of the caches around Yuma, and =
then meet=20
everyone on Sunday morning.<BR><BR>Haven't really decided =
yet, but=20
that is the idea we are kicking around.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
=
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR><BR>-!=20
-__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>From:=20
barry.neely@prudential.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
El Camino=20
del Diablo Strike Force<BR>To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>Date:=20
Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:57:53 -0700<BR>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR>Scott,<BR><BR>What kind =
of=20
distance are we talking about with out the side trip to=20
Yuma?<BR><BR>Hiker<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Scott Wood=20
<WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =
<BR>Sent=20
by: cc: <BR>az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. =
Subject: RE:=20
[Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force <BR>com=20
<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thursday January 9, 2003 01:02 PM <BR>Please =
respond=20
to listserv <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 =
-0500,=20
you wrote:<BR><BR>>It sounds like we are making this a =
one day=20
kind of thing. Any thought of<BR>>going out on Sat and =
staying=20
the night? Do not want to rush the fun =
of<BR>>finding.<BR><BR>I=20
have been thinking about doing just that. We are looking at =
a 3=20
hour<BR>trip f! rom Tucson. That makes for a pretty early =
departure=20
time and a late<BR>return. Makes for a very full day. We =
might head=20
up on Saturday, hit some<BR>of the caches around Yuma, and =
then meet=20
everyone on Sunday morning.<BR><BR>Haven't really decided =
yet, but=20
that is the idea we are kicking around.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
=
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Az-Geocaching=
=20
mailing=20
=
list<BR>listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mai=
lman/listinfo/az-geocaching<BR><BR>Arizona's=20
Geocaching=20
=
Resource<BR>http://www.azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--=
<BR><BR>Message:=20
3<BR>Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:59:30 -0700<BR>To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From: Scott Wood=20
<WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At 01:57 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, =
you=20
wrote:<BR><BR>>What kind of distance are! we talking =
about with=20
out the side trip to Yuma?<BR><BR>I'm not really sure what =
you mean,=20
but it looks like it is 218 miles from <BR>my driveway to =
Welton. I=20
am not sure how many miles it is from Welton into <BR>the=20
caches.<BR><BR>It does look like there are a number of =
caches around=20
Yuma and Welton that <BR>might make heading up a day early=20
worthwhile.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
=
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message:=20
4<BR>From: "Team Tierra Buena"=20
<TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To:=20
<LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
El=20
Camino del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 =
15:02:42=20
-0700<BR>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>> I =
am=20
targeting going and getting my <BR>> permit on Friday. I =
think=20
that there is a place closer and <BR>> not as hard to get =
to than=20
the one down town.<BR><BR>That would be the BLM office at =
21605 N.=20
7th Ave. N 33 40.940 W112<BR>04.933.<BR><BR>! > It sounds =
like we=20
are making this a one day kind of thing. <BR>> Any =
thought of=20
going out on Sat and staying the night? <BR><BR>Another =
reason I=20
don't favor convoys. Some may well want to do =
that,<BR>others=20
wouldn't hear of it. Judi and I may drive down to Yuma=20
on<BR>Saturday and stay over, but we're still discussing the =
additional<BR>expense. As Judi has to work on Saturday, =
though, we'd=20
get there too<BR>late for any Saturday caching=20
<SNIFFLE>.<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra Buena<BR>There is a =
very fine=20
line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --=20
Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: =
5<BR>Date: Thu,=20
09 Jan 2003 15:38:37 -0700<BR>To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From:=20
Scott Wood <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: =
[Az-Geocaching]=20
El Camino del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At 03:02 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, =
you=20
wrote:<BR><BR>>Saturday and stay over, but we're still =
discussing=20
the additional<BR>>expense. As Judi has t! o work on =
Saturday,=20
though, we'd get there too<BR>>late for any Saturday =
caching=20
<SNIFFLE>.<BR><BR>As I said in a previous message, we are =
also=20
thinking about heading down on <BR>Saturday and finding some =
of the=20
area caches. Probably won't leave Tucson <BR>too early =
though. If=20
you do decide to head down Saturday evening, we will =
<BR>have to get=20
together for a drink.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
=
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message:=20
6<BR>From: "Team Tierra Buena"=20
<TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To:=20
<LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
El=20
Camino del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 =
15:44:20=20
-0700<BR>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>> I =
am not=20
sure how many miles it is <BR>> from Welton into <BR>> =
the=20
caches.<BR><BR>If I'm correctly reading the map the crude =
Fish and=20
Wildlife service map<BR>I got with the permit, it's =
approximately 32=20
miles from Wellton to Tule<!
BR>Well, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on everything=20
I've read<BR>and heard, though, leaving Wellton with =
anything other=20
than a full tank<BR>of petrol is foolhardy.<BR><BR>Speaking =
of=20
getting gassed, if we're there Saturday night, you're on =
for<BR>that=20
drink, Scott!<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra Buena<BR>There is =
a very=20
fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --=20
Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: =
7<BR>From:=20
barry.neely@prudential.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
El Camino=20
del Diablo Strike Force<BR>To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>Date:=20
Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:34:48 -0700<BR>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR>When I talked about =
staying=20
over night Sat I was thinking about doing some<BR>camping. =
We could=20
drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do a =
cache<BR>on Sat=20
and then the rest on Sunday. Any one=20
interested??<BR><BR>Hiker<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"Team =
Tierra Buena"=20
<BR><TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET>To: <LISTSERV@AZGEO!=20
CACHING.COM><BR>cc: <BR>Sent by: Subject: RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] El=20
Camino del Diablo Strike Force=20
<BR>az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. <BR>com=20
<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thursday January 9, 2003 03:44 PM <BR>Please =
respond=20
to listserv <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> I am not sure =
how many=20
miles it is<BR>> from Welton into<BR>> the =
caches.<BR><BR>If=20
I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife =
service=20
map<BR>I got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles =
from=20
Wellton to Tule<BR>Well, which is fairly near the ECdD =
cache. Based=20
on everything I've read<BR>and heard, though, leaving =
Wellton with=20
anything other than a full tank<BR>of petrol is=20
foolhardy.<BR><BR>Speaking of getting gassed, if we're there =
Saturday night, you're on for<BR>that drink,=20
Scott!<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra Buena<BR>There is a very =
fine=20
line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --=20
=
Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<=
BR>Az-Geocaching=20
mailing list<BR>l!=20
=
istserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/list=
info/az-geocaching<BR><BR>Arizona's=20
Geocaching=20
=
Resource<BR>http://www.azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--=
<BR><BR>Message:=20
8<BR>Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:47:34 -0700<BR>To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From: Scott Wood=20
<WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 =
-0700, you=20
wrote:<BR><BR><BR>>When I talked about staying over night =
Sat I=20
was thinking about doing some<BR>>camping. We could drive =
in on=20
Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do a cache<BR>>on Sat =
and then=20
the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??<BR><BR>I think our =
camping=20
will be in a hotel/motel. While I am not opposed to <BR>the =
idea of=20
camping, we are going to be in the FJ-40 and space is a real =
<BR>premium, so camping hear will be staying at=20
home.<BR><BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team My Blue=20
Heaven<BR>www.myblueheaven.com!=20
/geocache<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 9<BR>From: =
"Team=20
Tierra Buena" <TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To:=20
<LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
El=20
Camino del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 =
10:13:03=20
-0700<BR>Reply-To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR><BR>>=20
<BR>> When I talked about staying over night Sat I was =
thinking=20
<BR>> about doing some camping. We could drive in on Sat, =
find a=20
<BR>> nice base camp, maybe do a cache on Sat and then =
the rest=20
on <BR>> Sunday. Any one interested??<BR><BR>I would be, =
but not=20
as interested as I am uninterested in pitching a<BR>tent at =
9 PM=20
after driving in the dark for two-and-a-half hours. =
So,<BR>like=20
Scott, if we come down Saturday, we will be at Camp Ramada=20
or<BR>something similar.<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra =
Buena<BR>There=20
is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- =
Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: =
10<BR>Date:=20
Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:38:4! 4 -0700<BR>To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From: Scott Wood=20
<WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To:=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 =
-0700, you=20
wrote:<BR><BR><BR>>When I talked about staying over night =
Sat I=20
was thinking about doing some<BR>>camping. We could drive =
in on=20
Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do a cache<BR>>on Sat =
and then=20
the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??<BR><BR>Even though =
we won't=20
be camping, if we do come down on Saturday, we would <BR>be=20
interested in getting together to find some caches. I =
haven't taken=20
any <BR>time yet to plan out a possible Saturday cache trip, =
but=20
will. I have been <BR>busy planning a Sunday/Monday trip to=20
Phoenix.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
=
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>______________________________________=
_________<BR>Az-Geocaching=20
mailing list<BR>listserv@azgeocaching.com!=20
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<BR>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching<BR><B=
R>Arizona's=20
Geocaching=20
Resource<BR>http://www.azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR><BR>End =
of=20
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