[Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different Folks

Brian LaFrance listserv@azgeocaching.com
Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:24:01 -0700


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Submit the cache as a normal cache and then modify the listing once it is
approved...
  -----Original Message-----
  From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Mark
  Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:09 PM
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
  Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different Folks

        We recently read comments regarding caches being listed for
different types of objectives including off road caches, etc. I believe it
was Team Tierra Buena who mentioned pet friendly caches, kid friendly
caches, handicap accessible caches, etc. It is our recent experience that
EVERY cache must be "kid" orientated or the reviewers of submitted caches
will invoke their own personal belief system and reject the cache for
posting.


        A little background, we have been geocaching for quite a long period
in geocaching terms and enjoyed a wide variety of caches. In many cases we
enjoy the hunt of urban caches with our children. At times when the kids are
with grandmother we go after more challenging caches. In the last 6 months
we have seemingly noticed a change in the quality of items left in caches.
In the "good old days" the items left were unique and a lot of fun. With the
rush to find 100's of caches people no longer can afford unique items and
find a lot of "happy meal" items left in caches. It was over a few beers
with hubby that we thought we would try something new - A Couples Only
Cache. A cache designed by a couple for other couples. As the title implies
this cache was designed for other like-minded couples who wanted to add a
bit of spice to geocaching. Unique and fun novelty items were include! d in
the cache. To insure this cache could not be found by underage children it
is located way out in the desert with no houses within 15 miles of the site.
The cache and description is clearly marked "For Adults Only"


        Upon submitting our cache location we were informed by the geocache
reviewer that if a cache is not for kids and the entire family it is not an
appropriate geocache and thus not be listed. I would hate to think that a
few narrowed minded people are in control of what a geocache should or
should not be. If someone has personal objections to an adult type cache -
don't go search for it! Although the same narrow-minded people may find the
content "objectionable it is far from pornographic.


        We would like to get opinions from the real geocachers on this web
site. For those of you have a interest in locating the cache it is located
in the Avra Valley area just a few miles away from other caches in the
desert that include - The Prize, Sawtooth, Lost Point, etc. An interesting
side note this location appears to be a "swamp land" sale. We found it over
18 months ago and nothing has changed. There are three ways into the area
and it is all dirt roads but does not require 4 wheel. We came in from Avra
Valley road. Look forward to the geocaching communitys comments.


        Coyote Springs - A Cache Designed By and for Fun Couples Only!

        N 32.32.108
        W 111.35.179


        1st Turn Off - Actually this takes you down the natural gas
pipeline.

        N 32. 29.860

        W 111.29.920


        2nd Turn Off

        N 32.32.047

        W 111.32.226




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          Today's Topics:

          1. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
          2. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
(barry.neely@prudential.com)
          3. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
          4. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
          5. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
          6. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
          7. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
(barry.neely@prudential.com)
          8. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
          9. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
          10. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike! Force (Scott Wood)

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          Message: 1
          Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:02:03 -0700
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          From: Scott Wood
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

          At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:

          >It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing. Any
thought of
          >going out on Sat and staying the night? Do not want to rush the
fun of
          >finding.

          I have been thinking about doing just that. We are looking at a 3
hour
          trip from Tucson. That makes for a pretty early departure time and
a late
          return. Makes for a very full day. We might head up on Saturday,
hit some
          of the caches around Yuma, and then meet everyone on Sunday
morning.

          Haven't really decided yet, but that is the idea we are kicking
around.


          In liberty,

          Scott

          wood@myblueheaven.com
          www.myblueheaven.com


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          Message: 2
          From: barry.neely@prudential.com
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:57:53 -0700
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com


          Scott,

          What kind of distance are we talking about with out the side trip
to Yuma?

          Hiker




          Scott Wood
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          Sent by: cc:
          az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: RE:
[Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          com



          Thursday January 9, 2003 01:02 PM
          Please respond to listserv






          At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:

          >It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing. Any
thought of
          >going out on Sat and staying the night? Do not want to rush the
fun of
          >finding.

          I have been thinking about doing just that. We are looking at a 3
hour
          trip f! rom Tucson. That makes for a pretty early departure time
and a late
          return. Makes for a very full day. We might head up on Saturday,
hit some
          of the caches around Yuma, and then meet everyone on Sunday
morning.

          Haven't really decided yet, but that is the idea we are kicking
around.


          In liberty,

          Scott

          wood@myblueheaven.com
          www.myblueheaven.com

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          Message: 3
          Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:59:30 -0700
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          From: Scott Wood
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

          At 01:57 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:

          >What kind of distance are! we talking about with out the side
trip to Yuma?

          I'm not really sure what you mean, but it looks like it is 218
miles from
          my driveway to Welton. I am not sure how many miles it is from
Welton into
          the caches.

          It does look like there are a number of caches around Yuma and
Welton that
          might make heading up a day early worthwhile.


          In liberty,

          Scott

          wood@myblueheaven.com
          www.myblueheaven.com


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          Message: 4
          From: "Team Tierra Buena"
          To:
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:02:42 -0700
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

          > I am targeting going and getting my
          > permit on Friday. I think that there is a place closer and
          > not as hard to get to than the one down town.

          That would be the BLM office at 21605 N. 7th Ave. N 33 40.940 W112
          04.933.

          ! > It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing.
          > Any thought of going out on Sat and staying the night?

          Another reason I don't favor convoys. Some may well want to do
that,
          others wouldn't hear of it. Judi and I may drive down to Yuma on
          Saturday and stay over, but we're still discussing the additional
          expense. As Judi has to work on Saturday, though, we'd get there
too
          late for any Saturday caching .

          Steve
          Team Tierra Buena
          There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --
Dave
          Barry


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          Message: 5
          Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:38:37 -0700
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          From: Scott Wood
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

          At 03:02 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:

          >Saturday and stay over, but we're still discussing the additional
          >expense. As Judi has t! o work on Saturday, though, we'd get
there too
          >late for any Saturday caching .

          As I said in a previous message, we are also thinking about
heading down on
          Saturday and finding some of the area caches. Probably won't leave
Tucson
          too early though. If you do decide to head down Saturday evening,
we will
          have to get together for a drink.


          In liberty,

          Scott

          wood@myblueheaven.com
          www.myblueheaven.com


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          Message: 6
          From: "Team Tierra Buena"
          To:
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:44:20 -0700
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

          > I am not sure how many miles it is
          > from Welton into
          > the caches.

          If I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife
service map
          I got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles from Wellton to
TuleWell, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on everything I've read
          and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything other than a full
tank
          of petrol is foolhardy.

          Speaking of getting gassed, if we're there Saturday night, you're
on for
          that drink, Scott!

          Steve
          Team Tierra Buena
          There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --
Dave
          Barry



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          Message: 7
          From: barry.neely@prudential.com
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:34:48 -0700
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com


          When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking about
doing some
          camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do
a cache
          on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??

          Hiker





          "Team Tierra Buena"
          To:
          cc:
          Sent by: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike
Force
          az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.
          com



          Thursday January 9, 2003 03:44 PM
          Please respond to listserv






          > I am not sure how many miles it is
          > from Welton into
          > the caches.

          If I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife
service map
          I got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles from Wellton to
Tule
          Well, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on everything
I've read
          and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything other than a full
tank
          of petrol is foolhardy.

          Speaking of getting gassed, if we're there Saturday night, you're
on for
          that drink, Scott!

          Steve
          Team Tierra Buena
          There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --
Dave
          Barry


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          Message: 8
          Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:47:34 -0700
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          From: Scott Wood
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

          At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:


          >When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking about
doing some
          >camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe
do a cache
          >on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??

          I think our camping will be in a hotel/motel. While I am not
opposed to
          the idea of camping, we are going to be in the FJ-40 and space is
a real
          premium, so camping hear will be staying at home.


          Scott
          Team My Blue Heaven
          www.myblueheaven.com! /geocache


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          Message: 9
          From: "Team Tierra Buena"
          To:
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:13:03 -0700
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com



          >
          > When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking
          > about doing some camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a
          > nice base camp, maybe do a cache on Sat and then the rest on
          > Sunday. Any one interested??

          I would be, but not as interested as I am uninterested in pitching
a
          tent at 9 PM after driving in the dark for two-and-a-half hours.
So,
          like Scott, if we come down Saturday, we will be at Camp Ramada or
          something similar.

          Steve
          Team Tierra Buena
          There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --
Dave
          Barry



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          Message: 10
          Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:38:4! 4 -0700
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          From: Scott Wood
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
          Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

          At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:


          >When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking about
doing some
          >camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe
do a cache
          >on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??

          Even though we won't be camping, if we do come down on Saturday,
we would
          be interested in getting together to find some caches. I haven't
taken any
          time yet to plan out a possible Saturday cache trip, but will. I
have been
          busy planning a Sunday/Monday trip to Phoenix.


          In liberty,

          Scott

          wood@myblueheaven.com
          www.myblueheaven.com



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          (barry.neely@prudential.com)<BR>3. RE: El Camino del Diablo =
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          Buena)<BR>7. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force=20
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          Force (Scott Wood)<BR>9. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force =
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          Tierra Buena)<BR>10. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike! Force =
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          Wood)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Thu, 09 Jan =
2003=20
          13:02:03 -0700<BR>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From: Scott =
Wood=20
          <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino del=20
          Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At=20
          01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;It sounds like =
we are=20
          making this a one day kind of thing. Any thought =
of<BR>&gt;going out=20
          on Sat and staying the night? Do not want to rush the fun=20
          of<BR>&gt;finding.<BR><BR>I have been thinking about doing =
just that.=20
          We are looking at a 3 hour <BR>trip from Tucson. That makes =
for a=20
          pretty early departure time and a late <BR>return. Makes for a =
very=20
          full day. We might head up on Saturday, hit some <BR>of the =
caches=20
          around Yuma, and then meet everyone on Sunday =
morning.<BR><BR>Haven't=20
          really decided yet, but that is the idea we are kicking=20
          around.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
          =
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR><BR>-!=20
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          barry.neely@prudential.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
          del Diablo Strike Force<BR>To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>Date: Thu,=20
          9 Jan 2003 13:57:53 -0700<BR>Reply-To:=20
          listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR>Scott,<BR><BR>What kind =
of=20
          distance are we talking about with out the side trip to=20
          Yuma?<BR><BR>Hiker<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Scott Wood=20
          <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =
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          cc: <BR>az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. Subject: =
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          [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force <BR>com=20
          <BR><BR><BR><BR>Thursday January 9, 2003 01:02 PM <BR>Please =
respond=20
          to listserv <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 =
-0500,=20
          you wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;It sounds like we are making this a one =
day kind=20
          of thing. Any thought of<BR>&gt;going out on Sat and staying =
the=20
          night? Do not want to rush the fun of<BR>&gt;finding.<BR><BR>I =
have=20
          been thinking about doing just that. We are looking at a 3=20
          hour<BR>trip f! rom Tucson. That makes for a pretty early =
departure=20
          time and a late<BR>return. Makes for a very full day. We might =
head up=20
          on Saturday, hit some<BR>of the caches around Yuma, and then =
meet=20
          everyone on Sunday morning.<BR><BR>Haven't really decided yet, =
but=20
          that is the idea we are kicking around.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
          =
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Az-Geocaching=
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<BR><BR>Message:=20
          3<BR>Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:59:30 -0700<BR>To:=20
          listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From: Scott Wood=20
          <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino del=20
          Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At=20
          01:57 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;What kind of =
distance=20
          are! we talking about with out the side trip to =
Yuma?<BR><BR>I'm not=20
          really sure what you mean, but it looks like it is 218 miles =
from=20
          <BR>my driveway to Welton. I am not sure how many miles it is =
from=20
          Welton into <BR>the caches.<BR><BR>It does look like there are =
a=20
          number of caches around Yuma and Welton that <BR>might make =
heading up=20
          a day early worthwhile.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
          =
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message:=20
          4<BR>From: "Team Tierra Buena" =
<TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To:=20
          <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
          del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:02:42=20
          -0700<BR>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>&gt; I am=20
          targeting going and getting my <BR>&gt; permit on Friday. I =
think that=20
          there is a place closer and <BR>&gt; not as hard to get to =
than the=20
          one down town.<BR><BR>That would be the BLM office at 21605 N. =
7th=20
          Ave. N 33 40.940 W112<BR>04.933.<BR><BR>! &gt; It sounds like =
we are=20
          making this a one day kind of thing. <BR>&gt; Any thought of =
going out=20
          on Sat and staying the night? <BR><BR>Another reason I don't =
favor=20
          convoys. Some may well want to do that,<BR>others wouldn't =
hear of it.=20
          Judi and I may drive down to Yuma on<BR>Saturday and stay =
over, but=20
          we're still discussing the additional<BR>expense. As Judi has =
to work=20
          on Saturday, though, we'd get there too<BR>late for any =
Saturday=20
          caching <SNIFFLE>.<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra Buena<BR>There =
is a=20
          very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --=20
          Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 5<BR>Date: =
Thu, 09=20
          Jan 2003 15:38:37 -0700<BR>To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From:=20
          Scott Wood <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] El=20
          Camino del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To:=20
          listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At 03:02 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, =
you=20
          wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;Saturday and stay over, but we're still =
discussing=20
          the additional<BR>&gt;expense. As Judi has t! o work on =
Saturday,=20
          though, we'd get there too<BR>&gt;late for any Saturday =
caching=20
          <SNIFFLE>.<BR><BR>As I said in a previous message, we are also =

          thinking about heading down on <BR>Saturday and finding some =
of the=20
          area caches. Probably won't leave Tucson <BR>too early though. =
If you=20
          do decide to head down Saturday evening, we will <BR>have to =
get=20
          together for a drink.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
          =
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
m<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message:=20
          6<BR>From: "Team Tierra Buena" =
<TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To:=20
          <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
          del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:44:20=20
          -0700<BR>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>&gt; I am =
not sure=20
          how many miles it is <BR>&gt; from Welton into <BR>&gt; the=20
          caches.<BR><BR>If I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish =
and=20
          Wildlife service map<BR>I got with the permit, it's =
approximately 32=20
          miles from Wellton to Tule<!
BR>Well, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on everything=20
          I've read<BR>and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything =
other=20
          than a full tank<BR>of petrol is foolhardy.<BR><BR>Speaking of =
getting=20
          gassed, if we're there Saturday night, you're on for<BR>that =
drink,=20
          Scott!<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra Buena<BR>There is a very =
fine line=20
          between "hobby" and "mental illness". --=20
          Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: =
7<BR>From:=20
          barry.neely@prudential.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
          del Diablo Strike Force<BR>To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>Date: Fri,=20
          10 Jan 2003 09:34:48 -0700<BR>Reply-To:=20
          listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR>When I talked about =
staying over=20
          night Sat I was thinking about doing some<BR>camping. We could =
drive=20
          in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do a cache<BR>on Sat =
and then=20
          the rest on Sunday. Any one=20
          interested??<BR><BR>Hiker<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"Team Tierra =
Buena"=20
          <BR><TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET>To: <LISTSERV@AZGEO!=20
          CACHING.COM><BR>cc: <BR>Sent by: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
El=20
          Camino del Diablo Strike Force=20
          <BR>az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching. <BR>com=20
          <BR><BR><BR><BR>Thursday January 9, 2003 03:44 PM <BR>Please =
respond=20
          to listserv <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>&gt; I am not sure how =
many=20
          miles it is<BR>&gt; from Welton into<BR>&gt; the =
caches.<BR><BR>If I'm=20
          correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife service =
map<BR>I=20
          got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles from Wellton =
to=20
          Tule<BR>Well, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on =
everything=20
          I've read<BR>and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything =
other=20
          than a full tank<BR>of petrol is foolhardy.<BR><BR>Speaking of =
getting=20
          gassed, if we're there Saturday night, you're on for<BR>that =
drink,=20
          Scott!<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra Buena<BR>There is a very =
fine line=20
          between "hobby" and "mental illness". --=20
          =
Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<=
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<BR><BR>Message:=20
          8<BR>Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:47:34 -0700<BR>To:=20
          listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From: Scott Wood=20
          <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino del=20
          Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At=20
          09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:<BR><BR><BR>&gt;When I =
talked=20
          about staying over night Sat I was thinking about doing=20
          some<BR>&gt;camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice =
base camp,=20
          maybe do a cache<BR>&gt;on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. =
Any one=20
          interested??<BR><BR>I think our camping will be in a =
hotel/motel.=20
          While I am not opposed to <BR>the idea of camping, we are =
going to be=20
          in the FJ-40 and space is a real <BR>premium, so camping hear =
will be=20
          staying at home.<BR><BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team My Blue=20
          Heaven<BR>www.myblueheaven.com!=20
          /geocache<BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 9<BR>From: =
"Team=20
          Tierra Buena" <TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To:=20
          <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino=20
          del Diablo Strike Force<BR>Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:13:03=20
          -0700<BR>Reply-To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR><BR><BR>&gt;=20
          <BR>&gt; When I talked about staying over night Sat I was =
thinking=20
          <BR>&gt; about doing some camping. We could drive in on Sat, =
find a=20
          <BR>&gt; nice base camp, maybe do a cache on Sat and then the =
rest on=20
          <BR>&gt; Sunday. Any one interested??<BR><BR>I would be, but =
not as=20
          interested as I am uninterested in pitching a<BR>tent at 9 PM =
after=20
          driving in the dark for two-and-a-half hours. So,<BR>like =
Scott, if we=20
          come down Saturday, we will be at Camp Ramada or<BR>something=20
          similar.<BR><BR>Steve<BR>Team Tierra Buena<BR>There is a very =
fine=20
          line between "hobby" and "mental illness". --=20
          Dave<BR>Barry<BR><BR><BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: =
10<BR>Date:=20
          Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:38:4! 4 -0700<BR>To:=20
          listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>From: Scott Wood=20
          <WOOD@MYBLUEHEAVEN.COM><BR>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El =
Camino del=20
          Diablo Strike Force<BR>Reply-To: =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><BR>At=20
          09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:<BR><BR><BR>&gt;When I =
talked=20
          about staying over night Sat I was thinking about doing=20
          some<BR>&gt;camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice =
base camp,=20
          maybe do a cache<BR>&gt;on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. =
Any one=20
          interested??<BR><BR>Even though we won't be camping, if we do =
come=20
          down on Saturday, we would <BR>be interested in getting =
together to=20
          find some caches. I haven't taken any <BR>time yet to plan out =
a=20
          possible Saturday cache trip, but will. I have been <BR>busy =
planning=20
          a Sunday/Monday trip to Phoenix.<BR><BR><BR>In=20
          =
liberty,<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>wood@myblueheaven.com<BR>www.myblueheaven.co=
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