[Az-Geocaching] Navajo Nation
Mike Ingoglia
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:50:01 -0700
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Let me step back a bit from all political correctness and voice my =
OPINION:
It's unfortunate about the story of the geocachers being shot at. I've =
personally met a lot of Navajo people that have a hatred for "white =
people". These people (not all, but a good number) seem to have a chip =
on their shoulder about "us" taking the land from them. I've =
experienced this first hand as well as my wife experienced it growing up =
in Page, AZ. The way I see it, it is the way humans are. There's not a =
group of people in history that haven't fought over land rights... =
including all the Indians. Yeah, we've all become more civilized and =
politics prevent it from happening as much these days, but they just =
need to get over it and deal with it... they don't need to be shooting =
at anyone. If it was up to me, the reservations would become state =
trust lands and the Indians would have to integrate into our society =
rather than segregating themselves from it(sorry, I still have a few =
years until I'm old enough to run for President) :-). It's ridiculous =
the free ride our government gives them. I just love driving (NOT!) =
through the reservation (on the highway) and seeing run-down single =
wides with a satellite dish and a brand new Chevy pickup out front. I'm =
beginning to believe getting "free rides" is the American way.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: mike and gale jett=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navajo Nation
Two of you wrote
Also, I had the opportunity to speak to a Sergeant with the Navajo =
Nation
>Police Department. He told me that they will not allow any geocaches =
on
>their lands. If you are caught on their lands without a permit you =
can be
>arrested. This is just a reminder to please not place any caches on =
tribal
>lands.=20
The sergeant had a story to tell about a couple of cacher that wee =
shot at while looking for a cache. When they reported it to him they =
were sited for trespassing and told that if the people wanted to kill =
them they would have.
I feel the need to defend the Navajo Nation. Some of you may know that =
Mike is Navajo born and raised. His family still lives on the =
reservation. I lived there for 2 years while working for Indian Health =
Service. Lately the tribe has been having a lot of trouble with gangs, a =
lot more than you might think. Part of it has to do with the extreme =
poverty up there as well as unemployment, alcoholism etc. There has also =
been a huge push lately to return to ultra conservative traditional ways =
which some older Navajos would like to take as far as cutting out the =
outside world. That won't ever happen. There are still many rational =
people up there. The upshot is, as long as you treat the Navajo, Hopi, =
or any other tribe with great respect, including laws and their privacy, =
you will be treated the same. Please don't read all of the above and be =
discouraged from visiting the reservations of Arizona. I've done so for =
over 20 years, with and without Mike, and have al! ! ways been treated =
very well. On a side note, Mike and I have been talking about doing an =
event cache in Canyon de Chelly. His family has a homestead ranch in the =
Canyon del Muerto branch beyond where the tourists go. There is a trail =
that leads down to his family's cabin (not a hogan). His family always =
welcomes guests and permits are not needed for friends of the family to =
visit. The views are spectacular. Would people be interested?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Let me step back a bit from all =
political=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's unfortunate about the story of the =
geocachers=20
being shot at. I've personally met a lot of Navajo people that =
have a=20
hatred for "white people". These people (not all, but a good =
number)=20
seem to have a chip on their shoulder about "us" taking the land from=20
them. I've experienced this first hand as well as my wife =
experienced it=20
growing up in Page, AZ. The way I see it, it is the way humans =
are. =20
There's not a group of people in history that haven't fought over land =
rights...=20
including all the Indians. Yeah, we've all become more civilized =
and=20
politics prevent it from happening as much these days, but they just =
need to get=20
over it and deal with it... they don't need to be shooting at =
anyone. If=20
it was up to me, the reservations would become state trust lands and the =
Indians=20
would have to integrate into our society rather than segregating =
themselves from=20
it(sorry, I still have a few years until I'm old enough to run for=20
President) :-). It's ridiculous the free ride our government =
gives=20
them. I just love driving (NOT!) through the reservation (on the =
highway)=20
and seeing run-down single wides with a satellite dish and a brand new =
Chevy=20
pickup out front. I'm beginning to believe getting "free rides" is =
the=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 06, =
2003 12:18=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] Navajo =
Nation</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>Two of you wrote</DIV>
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<DIV>Also, I had the opportunity to speak to a Sergeant with the =
Navajo=20
Nation<BR>>Police Department. He told me that they will not allow =
any=20
geocaches on<BR>>their lands. If you are caught on their lands =
without a=20
permit you can be<BR>>arrested. This is just a reminder to please =
not place=20
any caches on tribal<BR>>lands. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>The sergeant had a =
story to tell=20
about a couple of cacher that wee shot at while looking for a cache. =
When they=20
reported it to him they were sited for trespassing and told that if =
the people=20
wanted to kill them they would have.</FONT><BR></DIV></DIV>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000>I feel the need to defend the Navajo Nation. =
Some of=20
you may know that Mike is Navajo born and raised. His family still =
lives on=20
the reservation. I lived there for 2 years while working for Indian =
Health=20
Service. Lately the tribe has been having a lot of trouble with gangs, =
a lot=20
more than you might think. Part of it has to do with the extreme =
poverty up=20
there as well as unemployment, alcoholism etc. There has also been a =
huge push=20
lately to return to ultra conservative traditional ways which some =
older=20
Navajos would like to take as far as cutting out the outside world. =
That won't=20
ever happen. There are still many rational people up there. The upshot =
is, as=20
long as you treat the Navajo, Hopi, or any other tribe with great =
respect,=20
including laws and their privacy, you will be treated the same. Please =
don't=20
read all of the above and be discouraged from visiting the =
reservations of=20
Arizona. I've done so for over 20 years, with and without Mike, and =
have al! !=20
ways been treated very well. On a side note, Mike and I have been =
talking=20
about doing an event cache in Canyon de Chelly. His family has a =
homestead=20
ranch in the Canyon del Muerto branch beyond where the tourists go. =
There is a=20
trail that leads down to his family's cabin (not a hogan). His family =
always=20
welcomes guests and permits are not needed for friends of the family =
to visit.=20
The views are spectacular. Would people be interested?</P>
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