[Az-Geocaching] Obervation

Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:12:06 -0500

I understand where you're coming from with this cache, and to a certain extent I do agree.  It isn't the best place for it, but certainly not the worst.  One of the facets of the sport is that cachers have the independent choice of deciding whether or not to seek out a cache if they find the area in which it hidden, questionable.  By ultimately seeking out the cache, you imply that the problem you had was after-the-fact, not during your attempted log.

Overall, I thought it was a very clever idea and enjoyed finding the cache.  The problem with the signs is the fear some people experience because they think that it's some sort of trespass being committed because those signs are there.  They are for the area behind the wall, which is the Tempe Police Property/Evidence building.  Granted, those cameras right above the cache could sweep down and see you.  By finding the cache, that's a risk you take.  However, every encounter I've had with police officers regarding my caching activities I've used to turn it into a positive learning experience for the officer(s) involved.

I would e-mail the cache owner directly and express your concerns and see what can be done to make the cache safer, if anything.  Worse case, you could take the stand of logging an archive note and seeing where it goes from there.  The objectivity of admins could rule in this if they saw fit, or it would be handled behind the scenes and everyone would be happy.

Brian
Team A.I.

> 
> From: "RopingThe Wind" <arizcowboy@hotmail.com>
> Date: 2003/12/06 Sat PM 02:59:42 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Obervation
> 
> Just wanted  to say I had a great time at the Event Cache put on by EvilFISH 
> on Friday night. Great pizza (cheap too!) and it was fun chatting with some 
> of the newbies as well as some of the regulars. It was a fun time.
> 
> After being out of the geocaching scene for a little while and after the 
> event cache, I was somewhat fired up to go get a cache. Well, I happened to 
> be doing a job in downtown Tempe later this morning and so I thought I would 
> take a look for the very nearby Jacyee Park Cache. I arrived at the 
> coordinates and found there is a Police impound yard or some kind of Police 
> facility on the other side of the wall from the cache. On the wall that is 
> right next to the cache, there is a big and very noticable sign that says 
> "Police survailance area" and some other stuff. Now, they are primarily 
> refering to the other side of the wall. But, with the cameras looking down 
> along the wall. They obviously dont want to see people snooping around the 
> wall there. You will look very suspicious if you are searching for a cache 
> in this area. By reading the clues, the hints were enough to know right 
> where to search for this cache. Unfortunately, the cache is not there. There 
> is a string, but no cache on the end of it.
> 
> Anyways, this type of cache hide is one of the very reasons I dont enjoy 
> geocaching like I used to and one of the very reasons I have been sitting 
> aside and not caching as of late. Jaycee Park is a big enough park that the 
> cache owner could have hidden this cache in the same fashion it was hidden 
> in someplace else in the park. It didnt have to be RIGHT up against the wall 
> were the police survailance sign is! This is a jackass way to hide a cache. 
> What was the cache owner thinking when he placed this cache!? I consider 
> this cache hide very inconsiderate to fellow cachers and just plain out 
> stupid. This cache certainly doesnt shine a positive light on geocaching, 
> especially if the Tempe police find this cache after seeing people snooping 
> around the wall area, right where they dont want people. There are way too 
> many urban caches out there that dont follow good geocaching etiquette and 
> place geocachers who seek the cache out in an uncomfortable situation, 
> whether intentionally or not (this cache, in my opinion, does so 
> intentionally). The aim here is to obviously place a cache in an area that 
> would require a great amount of stealth so as not to be seen. Is this game 
> suppose to be about going out and trying to find a cache or going out and 
> trying to arouse suspicion and get questioned by local authorities?
> 
> Scott
> Team Ropingthewind
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