[Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
Bill Tomlinson
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:43:35 -0700
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Rand, You left the fish speechless! ;-)
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Regan
Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
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From: RAND HARDIN <mailto:RHrdn8@msn.com> =20
To: AZ-Geocaching <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com> =20
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
Okay, I too am now upset! I just sent notes to Ken about my displeasure
about not being able to read new posts to his caches that I had found =
prior
to him changing them over to Members Only caches. I also expressed my
feelings about how the change has affected the stats (it took two of my
finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). I'm like Scott - I =
will
not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy the numbers game!
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Ken explained to me his feelings about why dedicated geocachers should
become Premium Members and suggested that I too become a member. I
responded with my feelings and why I cannot afford to become a member at
this time.
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Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. I did suggest to =
him
that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that maybe he should boycott
enjoying any non-members caches. =20
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Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" - but in =
turn
goes out and finds regular caches!? (Hypocrisy?)
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Rand (RandMan) =20
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From: Scott Nicol
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:49 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
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Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates me. =
I=20
am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the stats and =
the=20
numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive purposes). I =
am=20
a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of =
state.
This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These =
are=20
caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens =
is=20
that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt =
crawl=20
the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, =
the AZ
stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out of=20
state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state finds =
and=20
probably always will!).
I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, =
it=20
should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to =
make
their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches =
that=20
they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know=20
Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days ago =
and=20
that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand his =
views on
the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old =
caches=20
open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new =
ones=20
into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I =
no=20
longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you =
will) of
my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com; =
that
is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will =
reconsider=20
changing his old caches back to non-MO.
I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good =
ones. I
also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and =
the=20
comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the =
same=20
views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.
I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am =
not
a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making =
his=20
new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to members =
of=20
geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use if =
he=20
chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older caches =
open=20
to all.
Scott
Team Ropingthewind
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, =
2003 1:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
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Caching gods</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Okay, I too am now upset!</STRONG> I just=20
sent notes to Ken about my displeasure about not being able to =
read new=20
posts to his caches that I had found prior to him changing them over =
to Members Only caches. I also expressed my =
feelings=20
about how the change has affected the stats (it took two =
of my=20
finds and moved them over to "out-of-state" finds). I'm like =
Scott=20
- I will not seek "out-of-state" caches! I too enjoy =
the=20
numbers game!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken explained to me his feelings =
about why <U>dedicated</U>=20
geocachers should become Premium Members and suggested that =
I too=20
become a member. I responded with my feelings and =
why I=20
cannot afford to become a member at this time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ken sounds very strong in his reasoning and beliefs. =
I did=20
suggest to him that if he is so convicted to his feelings, that =
maybe he=20
should boycott enjoying any non-members caches. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is it fair for someone to limit their caches to "members only" =
- but in=20
turn goes out and finds regular caches!? =
(Hypocrisy?)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rand (RandMan) </DIV>
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Scott Nicol</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 10, =
2003 9:49=20
AM</DIV>
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listserv@azgeocaching.com</DIV>
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[Az-Geocaching] For the=20
Caching gods</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><BR><BR>Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but =
this one=20
definetly irritates me. I <BR>am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I =
do=20
enjoy looking at the stats and the <BR>numbers (for my own =
pleasure of=20
course, not for competitive purposes). I am <BR>a bit annoyed that =
9 of my=20
in state cache finds now show up as out of state.<BR><BR>This is =
the=20
result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are =
<BR>caches=20
that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens is =
<BR>that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it =
doesnt=20
crawl <BR>the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). =
At any=20
rate, the AZ <BR>stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they =
show up=20
in the out of <BR>state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I =
have 0 out=20
of state finds and <BR>probably always will!).<BR><BR>I personally =
beleive=20
that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, it <BR>should =
remain=20
that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to make =
<BR>their=20
caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches =
that=20
<BR>they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I =
know=20
<BR>Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few =
days ago=20
and <BR>that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I =
understand=20
his views on <BR>the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you =
should=20
keep your old caches <BR>open to all and if you want members only, =
perhaps=20
only turn your new ones <BR>into MO. The other problem I have with =
old=20
caches changing into MO... I no <BR>longer can look back on those =
caches=20
and read my logs (diary if you will) of <BR>my experiences at =
those caches=20
(as I am not a member of geocaching.com; that <BR>is a whole =
nuther'=20
thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider =
<BR>changing his=20
old caches back to non-MO.<BR><BR>I have always enjoyed doing=20
Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I <BR>also very =
much=20
appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the =
<BR>comments=20
he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the same =
<BR>views=20
on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.<BR><BR>I =
guess I=20
will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not =
<BR>a=20
member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his =
making his=20
<BR>new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option =
to=20
members of <BR>geocaching.com and that is an option that is =
available to=20
him to use if he <BR>chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider =
and keep=20
his older caches open <BR>to all.<BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team=20
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