Re: [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...

>>     They did not remove that section because that section did not
>>     exist until the changes this week.

>>     That section "/Challenge caches incorporate special logging
>>     requirements and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically
>>     they require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable
>>     geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo qualify
>>     too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every county in
>>     your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please
>>     include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have
>>     met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other
>>     geocachers would be able to do so." /was just created, so
>>     removing it would be a fairly odd choice.

>>     On 4/5/09, *AZTech* <aztech.gc@gmail.com
>>     <mailto:aztech.gc@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>         I agree.  Everyone plays the game according to their own
>>         preferences, whether it be going after only tough hikes,
>>         difficult puzzles or simply logging as many finds as
>>         possible, so this just limits our options.  I'm especially
>>         surprised that they opted not to grandfather existing caches
>>         and instead made the change retroactive.

>>         While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to
>>         see that they didn't remove the following section from the
>>         guidelines for Mystery or Puzzle Caches:

>>         /Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements
>>         and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they
>>         require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable
>>         geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo
>>         qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in
>>         every county in your state. If you are thinking of creating
>>         such a cache, please include a note to the reviewer
>>         demonstrating either that you have met the challenge
>>         yourself, or that a substantial number of other geocachers
>>         would be able to do so./

>>         In light of the new guideline, that /"Cache finders can
>>         choose whether or not to attempt or accomplish optional
>>         tasks"/, what's the purpose of putting out a challenge cache
>>         if cachers aren't required to complete the challenge to log
>>         the find?  Why have any ALRs at all?

>>         On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL HOCKWITT
>>         <melhockwitt@msn.com <mailto:melhockwitt@msn.com>> wrote:

>>             Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way. 
>>             Too many rules have killed many an organization and put
>>             bad tastes in the mouths of the members.

>>             My thoughts.
>>             Mel

>>                 ----- Original Message -----
>>                 *From:* ShadowAce <mailto:shadowace.az@gmail.com>
>>                 *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com
>>                 <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>
>>                 *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:03 AM
>>                 *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...

>>                 http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388

>>                  Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed.

>>                 So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging
>>                 Requirements needs be altered or archived because
>>                 "You must find and prove you have found 40 caches on
>>                 a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign
>>                 the log and claim a find"

>>                  Please make sure you note the changes to the
>>                 guidelines dates April 2009:

>>                    3. *A section called Logging of All Physical
>>                       Caches
>>                       <http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#loggingofallcaches>
>>                       has been added to the guidelines.*

>>                 QUOTE
>>                 Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the
>>                 physical log has been signed.

>>                 If it is appropriate for your cache location or
>>                 theme, you may ask the cache seeker to accomplish an
>>                 optional and simple task, either close to the cache
>>                 site (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or
>>                 when writing their online log. For example, wear the
>>                 goofy hat inside the cache container and upload a
>>                 photograph. Cache finders can choose whether or not
>>                 to attempt or accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners
>>                 may not delete the cache seeker's log based solely on
>>                 optional tasks.

>>                 This guideline change applies immediately to all logs
>>                 written from April 4, 2009 and going forward. Older
>>                 caches with "additional logging requirements" (ALRs)
>>                 are not grandfathered under the older guideline. If
>>                 you own an existing cache with mandatory additional
>>                 logging requirements, we request that you:

>>                     * Cease deleting logs based on additional logging
>>                       requirements.
>>                     * Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR
>>                       can be made into an optional and simple task,
>>                       or whether it must be removed altogether.
>>                     * Adjust your geocache listing by editing the
>>                       text then contact a reviewer to change the
>>                       cache type, if appropriate.

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