Steven....................I don't know how much clearer I can make this. I usually do IGNORE those types of caches and don't tend to seek them. It's not like I seek these types of caches and then complain about them. I can't say I never do them, but if I know where and what type of cache it is, I usually ignore them. I too, have time constraints, as most of us do. My post is directed at those who are just plain too lazy to get off their butts. My opinion is just as valuable as yours, and I tend to wonder why some of these same people have enough time to spend HOURS trying to solve a puzzle cache, but don't have time to get out and about. If that's what you choose to do, then have at it. And for those puzzle cachers out there, I'm not belittling puzzle caches. All I'm hoping to do is motivate some of you into placing a few caches in spots other than community parks , parking lots, etc. If you choose to love those types of caches, that's fine. I don't, and hope I've made my point of view clear.
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That is just it. I have taken the kids and found caches with a view. It is a wonderful experience. And, yes, I have met cachers out in the boonies. And hope to again. Yes, maybe even yourself.
But, I have also had some fun moments finding caches under the park bench, etc. And, met cachers there too.
Just because YOU don't enjoy it, does not mean someone else does not either. That is the joy of being able to have an opinion, emotions, feelings, etc. If you are not interested in finding the cache in a particular location (assuming no serious rules violation), just ignore it, and go on. That is a choice you can make.
Also, please don't equate lack of time/resources/equipment/etc. with being lazy. Time is in very limited supply. Each of us may be allocated the same amount each day, but we are not allocated the same constraints or priorities.
PATRICK FINLEY wrote:
I don't remember saying anything about folks needing to play this game/hobby/sport (definitely not a sport, in MY opinion) the same way I do, or it's not the correct way to do it. What I'm saying is, SOME people place caches in urban places under the guise of either not having the time/resources/equipment/etc., when the real reason is, that they're too LAZY to either place or seek a cache in a more desirable (in MY opinion) location. I don't understand what kind of enjoyment somebody derives from finding an Altoids container in a bush at the mall. When somebody questions this type of geocaching, many of you folks get up in arms and defensive. I guess I must have struck a nerve with some of you. Good! Maybe some of you will consider putting a little more effort into hiding your caches in the future. If you truly want to have a family "bonding" experience, take the kids and the dog on a ride in our beautiful desert or mountains and find a cache with a view, instead of the parking lot at Wal-mart or the back wall of Walgreens. As I've said before, some of the cachers around here, take this game/hobby way too seriously. Others use it a social network, but that's another topic to peruse. Anyway, if you enjoy your Circle K caches, have at it, and don't let ME threaten you're caching world. Maybe I'll get the chance to meet some of you out in the boonies, someday. Naw, probably not................
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From: Steven Stringham<mailto:steve@stringhams.org>
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why I became a Premium Member
ACM, I do believe I was reacting to AZPaul's reaction to Finley's post, not to Regan's post. Fish may not have said it, but Finley did.
"I think many urban park/parking lot/electrical boxes/sprinkler head cachers use the excuse that these caches are hidden for those who just can't do the hiking or off-road caches due to physical limitations, wrong vehicle, or time constraints. That's baloney. I feel empathy for those who really are handicapped, but that group of cachers is a very small minority of the total caching crowd. "
AZcachemeister wrote:
Whoa! Whoa! WHOA!
Y'all are goin' WAY off on another tangent totally unrelated to the ORIGINAL POST!
The FISH did not say anything about micros vs. regulars.
The FISH did not compare the relative worthyness of urban vs. rural.
The FISH did not even comment on the issue of so many monotimeous hides in parks that all seem the same.
HMMM! So what is the FISH really saying?
Have another read. We'll wait.
Meanwhile, I will point out that the IGNORE button is only helpful (and really only necessary) if you are a Premium Member.
The BUTTON only allows one to keep certain distasteful cache listings (whatever that might be to you) out of ones Pocket Query, those caches will still be displayed on maps and in lists one might view online.
You are welcome, Mr. FISH!
ACM
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Regan Smith wrote:
Ya Know I really didn't want to pay for a Premium Membership, as for the many years prior Geocaching was about the Geo taking the GPS putting in coordinates and finding a cache outside..
Now as if a bad plague I felt it very necessary for me to pay to Ignore armchair caching, Have all the good stand alone caching locations been taken that you have to add sitting infront of the computer playing math and phone games before going out to enjoy the outdoors. Has climate change done so much to ruin wanting to spend time outside????
When Dave Ulmer hid his cache he said come and find it, now how many take the trip to see that spot??.. Yes times change but the principle of here is a cache and go find it should not be perverted.
I was told by Alex months ago if you do not like that type of hide why hide one like it? I so want to hide a more devious cache page cache so all the minority cachers can bitch and moan at their lack of understanding my logic but will not pervert the game any more. but the lock and cable will remain....
Just like giving the challenge to a few other cacher about stepping up their game I will add now Keep it up.
Thanks ACM for the enlightenment of the Ignore button
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