Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

> >     Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed.  Per
> >     the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus,
> >     are not permitted.

> >     Brian

> >     Team A.I.

> >     *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> >     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
> >     [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> >     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com>] *On Behalf
> >     Of *Esteban
> >     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM

> >     *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

> >     *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

> >     Shadowace,

> >     I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you
> >     posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says
> >     we should be going to.  So, for example, if someone hides a parking
> >     lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM
> >     first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot
> >     resides for permission?  Wow.

> >     Also, you said "No wilderness area".  What exactly do you mean by
> this?

> >     - Esteban (bakura82)

> >     Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700

> >     From: shadowace.az <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com

> >     To: listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

> >     Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

> >     Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to
> >     make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land
> >     managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission.

> >      Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this
> >     state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow
> >     simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS
> >     lands' 'No Wilderness areas'

> >      Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this
> >     together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local
> >     group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then
> >     speaking for all cachers in the state.

> >      Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and
> >     promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after
> >     obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?

> >      http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm

> >     Arizona's

> >             *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*

> >         * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office
> >           before placing a cache_
> >         * Do not place caches at archaeological sites
> >         * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for
> >           prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
> >           business
> >         * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache
> location

> >      Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone
> >     else is following the rules?

> >      Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing
> >     a cache?

> >      I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I
> >     also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to
> >     everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer
> >     wish to stick my neck out with land managers.

> >     ~ShadowAce / Dirk

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