Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

>     Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed.  Per
>     the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus,
>     are not permitted.

>     Brian

>     Team A.I.

>     *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
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>     [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
>     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Esteban
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM

>     *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

>     *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

>     Shadowace,

>     I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you
>     posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says
>     we should be going to.  So, for example, if someone hides a parking
>     lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM
>     first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot
>     resides for permission?  Wow.

>     Also, you said "No wilderness area".  What exactly do you mean by

>     - Esteban (bakura82)

>     Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700

>     From: shadowace.az <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>     To: listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

>     Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

>     Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to
>     make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land
>     managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission.

>      Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this
>     state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow
>     simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS
>     lands' 'No Wilderness areas'

>      Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this
>     together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local
>     group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then
>     speaking for all cachers in the state.

>      Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and
>     promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after
>     obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?

>      http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm

>     Arizona's

>             *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*

>         * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office
>           before placing a cache_
>         * Do not place caches at archaeological sites
>         * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for
>           prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
>           business
>         * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache

>      Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone
>     else is following the rules?

>      Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing
>     a cache?

>      I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I
>     also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to
>     everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer
>     wish to stick my neck out with land managers.

>     ~ShadowAce / Dirk

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