Re: [Az-Geocaching] Er? Halloween RadioActive Event

Me too.

Magical Memories

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Received: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:19:36 PM MST
From: "Guy Aldrich" <graldrich@gmail.com>
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Er? Halloween RadioActive Event

> I agree 100% with you Steve !
>
> On 10/9/07, Steven Stringham <Steve@stringhams.org> wrote:
> > So, lets see - a free event - at the local burrito place. So, if I want
> > to eat, I get to pay for it myself. Great. No, problem. I can pay for
> > myself. I am a big boy after all. (some might disagree). So, effort to
> > bring this cache event into being? Talking to the local owner (some
> > courage required - ok), and a posting on the site. Maybe a signup sheet,
> > $20 for an ammo can to give away with some toys to put in from the $1
> > store. Gotcha.
> >
> > Lets see - last years event - in Casa Grande.
> > Organizing the location with the owner of the property - and paying for
> > everyone's entrance fees for the property use.
> > Grass brought in and planted for the kids to play.
> > Props built and setup for the multiple events. This over many months of
> > planning, creation and expense.
> > Food provided, free of charge to all. Yes, donations accepted, in both
> > food and cash.
> > Many, many prizes given for door prizes and event given away. Including
> > multiple GPS units, Ipods, etc. Many donated, yes. Many, not.
> > A kids area setup, manned with baby sitting for event participants
> > children so they could enjoy the more active events of the evening.
> > A HUGE daytime event setup as a road rally. Those that participated
> > seemed to have a good time. But, many of the slots that were signed up
> > for, (with a waiting list, I might add) were no shows.
> > Transport for the props, etc. Setup/teardown - many many manhours from
> > many people (Shadowace and many others put in countless hours - I know -
> > I was watching them work - It is fun to watch others work!)
> >
> > Who paid for ALL this? Who organized this - over MANY MONTHS of hard
> > work and sleepless nights (the answer is not me by the way) Who got any
> > real thanks? Oh, and that was YEAR 4 of doing this (I know - I have
> > either been at or helped at each of them). Is it any wonder that costs
> > might be desired to be recouped? While, at the SAME TIME giving
> > consideration to the roots of the event - and its real participants?
> > Don't be petty people.
> >
> >
> > Brian Casteel wrote:
> > >
> > > Rather than getting into a battle over this, I'll answer once with
> > > what I know and leave it at that.
> > >
> > > There is some backlash to the cost because in the past it was free to
> > > attend, and at least in the case of the first HR that I helped
> > > organize, very few donations hit the table to even begin to cover the
> > > cost of food that was grilled, along with other items and materials
> > > used to create the HR environment. Subsequent years? I don't know
> > > because I moved to BigSky Country and circumstances haven't yet worked
> > > in my favor to be able to make it down there. I stated last week that
> > > if those who are complaining only knew what it cost to put one of
> > > these events on, attitudes might change a bit, but so far they haven't.
> > >
> > > The other backlash as I understand it is due to the fact that this is
> > > no longer a Geocacher ONLY event. It was opened up to the masses,
> > > presumably for reasons I can understand, but don't necessarily agree
> > > with. Posting on craigslist and azcentral the event information is
> > > counter-productive to sentiments regarding the event, which has always
> > > been about cachers. Rather than keeping it at the caliber it has
> > > always been at, perhaps it could have been scaled back instead, or
> > > simply not posted to those sites that turned this into a perceived
> > > commercial cache. While opening it up to the masses is a way to bring
> > > new cachers into the fold, I don't agree with the way it was done.
> > >
> > > But seriously though. The folks taking (in some cases repeated) shots
> > > really need to grow up and perhaps take the time to understand why
> > > there is now a cost to attend, whereas in the past there was not.
> > >
> > > Personally, I think mistakes were made on both sides of this. First,
> > > by turning it 'commercial' by publishing information about outside of
> > > gc.com, and then those who reverted back to 4^th grade immaturity in
> > > their stabs at the turn of events.
> > >
> > > Unless there are some changes (not sure what or how exactly), I
> > > suspect that this year will be the final HR.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > Team A.I.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> > > [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of
> > > *ShadowAce
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:02 AM
> > > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > > *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Er? Halloween RadioActive Event
> > >
> > > I received an email from a friend saying they were glad to see that
> > > Team Evil Fish helped Tamo get a listing for Halloween RadioActive.
> > >
> > > I then asked what they were referring to and they said ..
> > >
> > > IamHungryFish: Geolizing Event #17 by Team Evil Fish GC16FHA is the
> > > listed cache for people to get a 'smiley' for attending Halloween
> > > RadioActive.
> > >
> > > I had to inform them that the event by evil fish is over 27 miles away
> > > as a crow flies and begins 2 hours after the HRA event.
> > >
> > > Now I am seeing all sorts of logs on the cache within a business
> > > called Someburros' is getting all sorts of notes that seem to be
> > > taking an attack at the Halloween RadioActive event. Am I missing some
> > > joke by Phoenix cachers down here in the southern parts? Or do people
> > > really think the HRA gatherings are that much of a waste of time?
> > >
> > > I am asking because we (my family) are putting in a lot of time again
> > > this year to ensure everyone has fun and we are trying to 'out do'
> > > what we have done in the past. Is this really something that
> > > geocachers are upset about?
> > >
> > > Maybe I am just confused, but logs such as:
> > > 'Oh great! A real event. I will be there with WhirledCache.'
> > > and
> > > ' Wow, you sure this isn't a typo? You know, it's funny, I didn't see
> > > a $20 admission charge here. I don't even need to 'pre-register'. Or
> > > would that be 'FREE-register'? Well, I happen to be FREE that day, and
> > > since you are considerate enough to make this a FREE event for the
> > > Geocaching Community, I'll feel FREE to show up!
> > > Looking forward to a REAL Halloween Event!
> > > Thanks, Evil(FREE)Fish!'
> > >
> > > seem to be pretty direct attacks on Tamo for all the work he and his
> > > family put into this.
> > >
> > > Is this what geocaching is now about? I keep hearing about how
> > > friendly and supportive the geocaching community is but then we see
> > > things like this and have to wonder what happened that we are not
> > > hearing about. Would any of the Phoenix cachers care to let others
> > > know what is happening?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > -Dirk/ShadowAce
> > >
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