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Author: Brian Casteel
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Arizona Game and Fish wants to hear from ou
Don't even get me started about street legal quads. Up here, they need a
very minor equipment modification and can be registered. Ironically, the
tires they all run aren't street legal, but for some reason they get away
with it. I've nearly run over probably a dozen of them because of their hot
rodding right into my path, and it's those same idiots I see on the streets
doing wheelies/power slides, that tear up the lands we all enjoy.

To address your comment about what full-size vehicles can do in mud, I agree
completely. This is where adherence to "Tread Lightly" comes into play. If
you get into an area where you're going to rut out the road by traveling
down it, just turn around. I was at the Black Hills Jeep Jamboree in
September, and while the event runs Friday/Saturday of that week, the rain
started at 9PM Thursday night and ended Saturday afternoon (a downpour the
entire time). We didn't run any of the trails we had planned, because 68
vehicles would have done near irreparable damage. The forest service also
told us we couldn't run, but we weren't going to run them anyway because of
that damage risk. Instead, we did more scenic driving than anything, but
did end up wheelin' some when we headed up across some ridges that were
covered in wet snow. It packed well, and we left no trace of our being
there, except for the displaced snow which melted a day later.

This is one of the few times I believe full-size vehicles can do more
damage, quicker. Mud in Arizona is about as rare as the Dodo, and sometimes
a few out there with big tars to compensate for something, can't resist
flinging mud and tearing up the countryside. Beyond that, I firmly believe
that MOST of the damage being caused is by irresponsible ATV riders who
should never have those toys in the first place.

Back to your regularly scheduled Geocaching experience.

Brian
Team A.I.


-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ford,
Denny
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Arizona Game and Fish wants to hear from ou

So If a Quad is street legal, it would not need a tag, but the posted
detail of the proposed legislation does not mention license it is by
size of the vehicle, but Jeeps, or other trucks can do as much damage as
a quad( with mud). I think it is bogus suggestion, since the land
management is not the responsibility of Game and Fish; it is up to the
independent departments to manage the land.

Denny Ford,



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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:08 AM
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from ou

Licensed vehicles will not be required to have the sticker according to
the discussion @ virtual jeep.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ford, Denny
Date: 11/20/06 7:54
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you

Yea, but there is a lot of State Trust Land, that is bordered and locked
in by National forest, and BLM land, so even if you goal was to make it
to the state trust Land you have to cross others, you will need it.







Denny Ford, PMP

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AZcachemeister
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 7:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Arizona Game and Fish wants to hear
from you



It appears to me that if you are on State Trust Land (with the permit)
in (on?) a licensed & insured vehicle, you won't need a copper sticker.
If I read it right, if you are legally hunting or fishing, no sticker
needed, licensed vehicle or not. It's unclear if State Trust Land
w/permit falls into this category.

I'm not going to worry about this until the unlikely day I can afford a
Trailer Queen JEEP.

________________________________



AZPAUL wrote:

This will just up the price of geocaching? From what I have read us
cachers will have to have a copper sticker and a state land permit, to
go out desert to find caches.....

George Harris wrote: 


    Here's a link on the AZ Virtual Jeep Club about the Copper
Sticker 
    program: http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=17437
    Read up on it. This thing isn't all it's cracked up to be.
    -George

     
        ----- Original Message -----
        *From:* Creepin' Jeepers - Geocaching 7/01
        <mailto:creepinjeepers@cox.net>
<mailto:creepinjeepers@cox.net> 
        *To:* 
<mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com> <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com> 
        *Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:04 AM
        *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Arizona Game and Fish
wants to
        hear from you

     
        Good, thanks.
        It appears this will supplant the Trust Land/BLM permit for
those
        wishing only to traverse these areas on designated
        roads/trails--probably includes most of us, unless cache
seeking
        is construed as other recreation. Not clear is part 5-911
with
        regards to requirement for permit.

     
            ----- Original Message -----
            *From:* Regan Smith <mailto:evilfish@cox.net>
<mailto:evilfish@cox.net> 
            *To:* 
            <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>
<mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com> 
            *Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:58 AM
            *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] FW: Arizona Game and Fish
wants to
            hear from you

     
            Thought this was another of those nobody wants to
comment on
            land issue deal so am passing it on...

    
    
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            *From:* AZGFD
[mailto:e-news@phx-listserv.ad.gf.state.az.us]
            *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2006 2:36 PM
            *To:*  <mailto:evilfish@cox.net>
<mailto:evilfish@cox.net> 
            *Subject:* Arizona Game and Fish wants to hear from you

     
            Dear Outdoor Enthusiast,

     
            We would like to get your opinion on an important issue.
In
            October, the Arizona Game and Fish Department began
requesting
            public comments on proposed state legislation regarding
a new
            "Copper Sticker" Off-highway Vehicle (OHV) User Fee
Program.
            We would welcome your comments by Nov. 26 to help shape
this
            legislation to meet OHV user needs, while also
protecting
            wildlife habitat and serving public interests. The
comments
            are being compiled on behalf of the Off-highway Vehicle
            Legislative Workgroup, a group of representatives from
OHV
            user groups, sportsmen's groups, government agencies and
other
            cooperators.

     
            The use of off-highway vehicles in the state of Arizona
has
            increased substantially in recent years. Therefore, the
            Department is working with the OHV Legislative Workgroup
to
            develop this program for improving off-highway vehicle
            management in our state. If passed, the draft
legislation
            would also enhance funding for OHV programs, including
            maintenance and development of OHV trails and routes,
            education and information, enhanced law enforcement
resources,
            and mitigation for damage to environmental, historical
and
            cultural resources from OHV recreation. Here are some of
the
            specific areas that would benefit:

     
                * Developing and providing signage, maps and other
                  OHV-related environmental education tools to OHV
groups,
                  local governments and land management agencies
                * Developing a responsible rider safety and
education program
                * Enhancing resources for enforcement of off-highway
                  vehicle laws, including improved regulations
                * Protecting natural resources

     
            The current draft legislation proposes that the Arizona
Game
            and Fish Department would sell the copper stickers and
            administer the program. The department would ensure the
            stickers are easily accessible through OHV dealers, the
            Internet, Game and Fish offices, and license dealers
statewide.

     
            You can download the draft legislation and get
additional
            information at the department's Web site at
            azgfd.gov/coppersticker

    
<http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/copper_sticker.shtml>
<http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/copper_sticker.shtml> .
            You can submit your opinion in two simple ways: through
that
            Game and Fish Web site or by U.S. mail to OHV Comments,
c/o
            Joe Sacco, Arizona Game and Fish Department, 2221 W.
Greenway
            Road, Phoenix, AZ 85023-4399.

     
            We look forward to hearing from you.

     
            Sincerely,

     
            Arizona Game and Fish Department

     
            The Arizona Game and Fish Department prohibits
discrimination
            on the basis of race, color, sex, national origin, age,
or
            disability in its programs and activities. If anyone
believes
            that they have been discriminated against in any of the
AGFD's
            programs or activities, including employment practices,
they
            may file a complaint with the Deputy Director, 2221 W.
            Greenway Rd. Phoenix, AZ 85023, (602) 942-3000, or with
the
            Fish and Wildlife Service, 4040 N. Fairfax Dr. Ste. 130,
            Arlington, VA 22203. Persons with a disability may
request a
            reasonable accommodation or this document in an
alternative
            format by contacting the Deputy Director as listed
above.

    
    
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