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Author: Regan L Smith
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
There has to be other "crawlers" out there how are they dealing with it and
is there anything that we the beneficiaries of your fantastic work do???
----- Original Message -----
From: "Regan L Smith" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics


> do they consider AZGeocaching a threat? I don't understand you guys make
> their stuff much easier to use, and understand.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Casteel" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
>
>
> > Brian,
> >
> > How much total data do you believe is being grabbed from geocaching.com
> > daily when you were pulling the 'usual' stuff?
> >
> > Brian
> > Team A.I.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Cluff" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
> >
> >
> > > I would prefer to just get them let us contiunue to do business as
> usual.
> > > They HAD to have made more money on the existance of azgeocaching.com
> > > than the money they can claim they were loosing if we weren't around,
> > > not to mention that azgeocaching.com off loads a heck of a lot more
> > > bandwidth than it's taking up by crawling the official site.
> > > There have also been a ton of people that wanted to donate to us in
the
> > > past that we just asked to get a membership instead. Without
> > > geocaching.com's data our site is very boreing. Jason and I feel that
> > > it's in their best interest in let us continue on as usual as I feel
> > > those same people will probably just not renew their membership in
> > > protest of us getting shut down potentialy costing geocaching.com
> > thousands.
> > >
> > > I would be open to starting our own deal, but thats just way more work
> > > and responsibility that I would like to deal with, and it probably
> > > doesn't have the numbers of people behind it to potentially make it
> > > profitable, so it would be a TON of time that just HAD to be put into
> > > it. Don't get me wrong, I love doing azgeocaching.com, but there are
> > > some days that I just don't even want to look at it. I wouldn't want
to
> > > run a site that absolutly required maintainace every day without a
> > > little something extra to make it worth my while, and help pay the
> > > bills. Spreading out the site is a good idea, but it doesn't get rid
o
> > > the fact that the site, however small it is would still need to be
> > > maintained, and having to do a couple of things a day is almost more
> > > annoying than haveing to do a bunch of things. Thats always been the
> > > nice thing about azgeocaching.com, that for the most part, it's been
> > > self maintaining. We could spend as much or as little time as our
> > > schedules dictated, and this time of the year it's been a real
blessing
> > > to not HAVE to babysit a website.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I guess it would take some further discussion.
> > >
> > > Brian Cluff
> > > Team Snaptek
> > >
> > > Brian LaFrance wrote:
> > > > I'm all for starting our own open source version specific to
> > Arizona...if we
> > > > could get enough resources together, it might be kind of fun to try.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
> > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of
> Jason
> > > > Poulter
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:33 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > maybe we should just dump geocaching.com all together and write our
> own
> > > > site!!! ;)
> > > >
> > > > or at least a distributed database that everyone and anyone could
> setup
> > > > and access all over the world with open source code etc...
> > > >
> > > > jason
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brian LaFrance wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Maybe we could figure out a way to distribute the workload across
> > several
> > > >>servers. I also have a server that I could run the code on. It may
> be
> > > >>something where we could each query a range of cache numbers, user
> ID's,
> > or
> > > >>some other way of breaking the load up. Not sure if that would help
> > > >
> > > > though.
> > > >
> > > >>We all may end up banned from scraping data off Geocaching.com...it
> > could
> > > >
> > > > be
> > > >
> > > >>a fun project to try though.
> > > >>
> > > >>Brian
> > > >>Team AZEvil
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From:
> > > >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of
> > > >>
> > > >>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:35 PM
> > > >>To:
> > > >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>That's a good idea, in theory. However, not every cacher can write
> code
> > > >>like the Snaptek guys, nor can everyone understand how to run a
script
> > of
> > > >>this nature. If they gave me the code, I'd gladly throw it up on my
> > server
> > > >>to run, and all would be happy. :)
> > > >>
> > > >>Brian
> > > >>Team A.I.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>From: Bob Renner <>
> > > >>>Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 05:34:29 EDT
> > > >>>To: Arizona Geocaching List <>
> > > >>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Suggestion for statistics
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Jason,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I realize this would be a total rewrite of your
> > > >>>statistics gathering software, but it might be a way
> > > >>>to lessen the load it puts on the geocaching.com
> > > >>>website. Instead of crawling the entire data base, go
> > > >>>to the individual profile pages of Arizona geocachers,
> > > >>>and get the information from the "User Stats" pages.
> > > >>>Anyone who wants to have their information included
> > > >>>into the AZgeocaching web page, would have to tell you
> > > >>>to include them in your list. You could still include
> > > >>>the logs of others on the caches within Arizona.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Another, approach would be for you to provide the code
> > > >>>for Arizona geocachers to run on their own computers
> > > >>>to get their basic information from geocaching.com and
> > > >>>then automatically forward this to you to be compiled
> > > >>>into one database. The advantage of this would be
> > > >>>that the load on geocaching.com would be from multiple
> > > >>>IP addresses and only when a user knows his/her stats
> > > >>>need to be updated (i.e. when they have found or
> > > >>>placed a new cache).
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Just a thought that might help get around any blocking
> > > >>>you are experiencing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Bob Renner
> > > >>>
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