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Author: Andrew Ayre
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Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
Dan,

Thanks for this suggestion. I will give it a try!
Even if it works, I think I will still keep my own copies of logs, just
incase the geocaching.com site dissappears overnight sometime in the future.

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:11 AM
To: ''
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


It wouldn't take a total re-log of your old finds.

As noted, archived caches don't get their pages updated...usually. It only
takes a modification to any of the logs or the cache itself and
geocaching.com will regenerate the page and update all the information.

So, for those caches with 'Groover' as the team name still being displayed,
go edit your log. Add a space or something, save the changes, and it should
update the information on the cache page to reflect the current state of
affairs. azgeocaching.com will pick up the changes the next time it polls
the archived cache database. Since azgeocaching.com doesn't have direct
access to the geocaching.com database, they crawl the pages and just parse
out what is displayed 'on the screen', so to speak. If you can get
geocaching.com up update the pre-rendered cache page that is displayed,
everything will work as desired.

BTW, this isn't just for caches that have been archived. If an active cache
hasn't been logged in quite a while, it too will have the 'outdated'
information such as team names and numbers of finds.

At least that's how I believe it works. Anyone?
LazyK - Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


Andy,

It would take a bit of work, but I would think that you could re-log all of
your old finds with your new name and then delete the old finds. Geocaching
lets you specify the find date, so you would still have an accurate history.

As for geocaching.com, I doubt that the issue is hoarding data or bandwidth.
Both of those are already irrelevant because data is being grabbed by many
crawlers already and that isn't a terribly efficient mechanism. I'm willing
to bet that the issue is simply resources. Design and implementation of a
system that all would be happy with could be a very difficult task. Look
how long it's taken just to change the numbering scheme. And that's a time
critical issue. I imagine of more people were willing to register we would
see much better services in exchange. Personally, I don't much care if
people choose register. We just need to be aware of the implications of
those decisions. I chose to register because I'm interested in seeing new
features like this.

CacheLess
Bill Tomlinson

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Ayre
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:06 AM
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Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


I don't think the problem is so much MO caches as the fact that
geocaching.com appears IMO to want to horde the data and not share it with
sites like azgeocaching.com by providing a backdoor entry into specific
sections of the database. I cannot see how providing access to the AZ only
caches would cause a problem for geocaching.com (in terms of rivalry
worries, etc - I'm sure it would increase the bandwidth used).

We recently changed our name from "Groover" to "Team Spike". This has
completely messed up our team stats on the azgeocaching.com site, as it
relies on reading cached pages. Well, archived caches never get their pages
re-cached, therefore those caches will eternally be attributed to "groover"
on azgeocaching.com, wheras the actual data in the geocaching.com database
must be correct.

As a result I've resorted to making a copy of all log entries on my own web
site, so at least I have a copy of my own data that I can manipulate in my
own database and know it is always correct and accurate. Unfortunately I
don't have time to write code to generate graphs and other wonderful stuff
that can be found on azgeocaching.com.

Andy


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Nicol
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods




Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates me. I
am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the stats and the
numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive purposes). I am
a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of state.

This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are
caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens is
that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt crawl
the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, the AZ
stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out of
state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state finds and
probably always will!).

I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, it
should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to make
their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches that
they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know
Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days ago and
that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand his views on
the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches
open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones
into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I no
longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you will) of
my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com; that
is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider
changing his old caches back to non-MO.

I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I
also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the
comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the same
views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.

I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not
a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his
new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to members of
geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use if he
chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older caches open
to all.

Scott
Team Ropingthewind




>From: Brian Cluff <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:12:21 -0700
>
>Yes, if caches are being moved to members only that were previously
>available to anyone, they will show up as out of state.
>
>Brian Cluff
>Team Snaptek
>
>Regan Smith wrote:
>
>>Would the new out of state finds be a result of the Member Only
>>Caches?


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